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Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Postby An Absent Humphrey » Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:17 pm

I'm sat here watching The Two Towers, and a thought occurs to me.
Where is Sauron from? And why does he want to take over the world?

I've seen the films a few times, and I've read the books (a couple of years ago, for the first time). But I don't recall it ever being explained who Sauron is and what his motivation is. He just seems to have existed and just wants to take over the world for the sake of it.

Tolkien seems pretty thorough, so I expect he's covered these things in the Silmarillion or Unfinished Tales, so I wondered who he is and why he's decided to be so wicked.

Which is another thing. I can't help but feel that they've all been a bit scare-mongering about Sauron and his armies. A bit like the vikings - over-rated. All very good at knocking a few civilian heads together, but whenever he comes up against stiff opposition he loses. From memory the only battle I recall the forces of Sauron actually winning is at Osgiliath. Anyway.
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Re: Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Postby Roger Theloger » Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:24 pm

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The cosmological myth prefixed to The Silmarillion explains how the supreme being Eru initiated his creation by bringing into being innumerable spirits, "the offspring of his thought," who were with him before anything else had been made. The being later known as Sauron thus originated as an "immortal (angelic) spirit." In his origin, Sauron therefore perceived the Creator directly. As Tolkien noted: "Sauron could not, of course, be a 'sincere' atheist.
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Re: Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Postby An Absent Humphrey » Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:28 pm

So a bit like Lucifer then - a fallen angel?
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Re: Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Postby Roger Theloger » Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:33 pm

Yep... and he lost physical form when Isildur destroyed his physical body.
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Re: Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Postby THE Killer Bob » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:14 pm

Everything said so far is correct, but to expand slightly:

Morgoth is the "Lucifer" figure. Sauron was a Maiar like Gandalf and the Balrog. He was Morgoth/Melkor's No. 2.
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Re: Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Postby Ajsalium » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:48 pm

What Bob said.
Even I know that Sauron was Morgoth apprentice.

Or, if you prefer... Sauron is German, and he's evil and wants to conquer the world because he's German.
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Re: Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Postby The Masked Frother » Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:41 pm

Don't the appendixes in LOTR explain this somewhat without wading through the Silmarillion?
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Re: Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Postby The Masked Frother » Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:44 pm

Ajsalium wrote:What Bob said.
Even I know that Sauron was Morgoth apprentice.

Or, if you prefer... Sauron is German, and he's evil and wants to conquer the world because he's German.


Or Russian. He could be Russian. Or Chinese. A Facist anyhow, or Communist. Or, here in Canada, Reform Party Conservative.

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Re: Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Postby Ramshackle_Curtis » Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:26 pm

Dont forget though that really Eru didnt simply create the other spirit entities. Oh no. He sang them. And Sauron is a lesser part of the tonal/rythmic variation of melkior, so is in essence a discordant part of a celestial harmony. It was no error to make him, it was part of the whole song.
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