State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby Guest » Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:53 am

Isn’t that nice.
https://news.sky.com/story/f-35-jets-ch ... s-11741889
The Chinese can control our F-35 fighters.
I’ve been kicked off TMP, but I wonder how long it will take the anti F-35 crowd to pick up on this.
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby kyotebue2 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:14 am

They are busy trying to Nuke Iran over there to notice.
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby Voice From Limbo » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:42 pm

Hey, at least Frankie had a black friend.
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby Guest » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:51 pm

We shut down production lines for weapons that really work and scrapped the tooling.
Now we have stealth fighters that fall apart in a steep climb and whose stealth coating peels off in supersonic flight.
But at least the Congress critters in the districts where the F-35 is assembled are happy.
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby Guest » Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:26 pm

Voice From Limbo wrote:Hey, at least Frankie had a black friend.

Frank was involved in the Civil Rights movement. More like “influence” than marching. Especially in Vegas. So much that J Edgar launched an investigation or two.
J Edgar was ok with mob ties, but Commie Civil Rights? Nooooooo......
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby Guest » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:25 pm

The FBI and DOJ, and all of the downstream claims by the intelligence apparatus; including the December 2016 Joint Analysis Report and January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment, all the way to the Weissmann/Mueller report and the continued claims therein; were based on the official intelligence agencies of the U.S. government and the U.S. Department of Justice taking the word of a hired contractor for the Democrat party….. despite their inability to examine the server and/or actually see an unredacted technical forensic report from the investigating contractor.

The entire apparatus of the U.S. government just took their word for it…

…and used the claim therein as an official position….

…which led to a subsequent government claim, in court, of absolute certainty that Russia hacked the DNC.

Think about that for a few minutes.

The full intelligence apparatus of the United States government is relying on a report they have never even been allowed to see or confirm; that was created by a paid contractor for a political victim that would not allow the FBI to investigate their claim.

The DNC server issue is foundation, and cornerstone, of the U.S. government’s position on “Russia hacking” and the election interference narrative; and that narrative is based on zero factual evidence to affirm the U.S. government’s position
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby McKinstry » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:15 am

Such a crazy continuing lie that Russian hacking ties to simply the Steele memo that it really is tiring, Stop it.

Trump admits the Russians did it. Lindsey Graham admits the Russians did it. The whole US Intelligence apparatus appointed BY Trump says they did it.

They did it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/201 ... 878910002/
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby Guest » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:54 am

McKinstry wrote:Such a crazy continuing lie that Russian hacking ties to simply the Steele memo that it really is tiring, Stop it.

Trump admits the Russians did it. Lindsey Graham admits the Russians did it. The whole US Intelligence apparatus appointed BY Trump says they did it.

They did it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/201 ... 878910002/



The Russians attempted to interfere and did so. This included a number of things including bot farms, setting up websites, buying ads etc.

But even if there was evidence of the Russians hacking the DNC, there remains some major problems.

First, the DOJ and other agencies should not base their claims of Russian hacking of the DNC on the words of Joe Isuzu, spokesperson for the DEMs ("Trust me") with no actual evidence. They had no reason to acquiesce to the DNC's refusal to turn the hardware over for the FBI's own analysis. I can't think of any instance, particularly on such a major case, of the FBI failing to follow procedure and simply believing the word of someone involved without independent corroboration.

Second, The Muller Report never establishes proof of Russian Hacking. There are many major bits of information simply left out of the report. There are other major inconsistencies with the "proof." Take the curious case of Misfud, the "Russian agent" who contacted Papadopoulis. Nowhere is it ever established that he is one. Mueller claims he lied to the FBI, but never charged him. Why? Given his charging of Russians he knows would never come to trial, why not even charge Misfud? Misfud, after being "identified as a Russian agent" was back in the USA, met with investigators was interrogated, and later left the country. Why? Russian agents are typically apprehended and officially held / charged / tried and imprisoned until echanged. But not him.

Third, the claim that the intel sources believe the Russians hacked the DNC is meaningless. With both Brennan and Clapper proven liars, and working to support the bogus investigation, of course they'd back that position.

Regardless of who says the DNC was hacked by the Russians, where is there any actual PROOF? Simply does not exist. A classic case of "Proof by Blatant Assertion."

Happy to admit I'm mistaken if any of you have information that hasn't been posted here, hasn't been broadcast on the news, didn't make the Mueller report and can provide it. But McK is treating "Russian interference" and the DNC hacking as exactly the same thing. They aren't. I'm happy to admit that the Russians yet again as is their wont, tried to interfere to undermine our confidence in our electoral process.

But this is about one very specific piece of the puzzle. And no, I won't stop, at least not until all of the investigations and their impact have finished and the dust has settled.

So who wants to be the hero to step up first and provide the DNC Russian hacking evidence?
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby Guest » Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:21 am

For those not getting the US cultural reference to (lying) Joe Isuzu

http://mentalfloss.com/article/77518/many-lies-joe-isuzu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJMq_7alQpU
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby kyotebue2 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:42 am

Almost amusing, but no.
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