State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

[Guest]

Since I know you don't have a clue and all you are doing is posting bumper sticker sayings, I really don't care.

[Guest]

Muller

When Comey and Mueller Bungled the Anthrax Case

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic ... 33953.html

ROBERT MUELLER IS A HOTHEAD WHO CAN'T OWN UP TO HIS MISTAKES, FORMER AIDES SAY

https://www.newsweek.com/robert-mueller-special-counsel-russia-aides-criticize-722670

In Boston, Mueller was an Assistant U.S. Attorney in the U.S. Attorney’s Office and then became the Acting U.S. Attorney from 1986 through 1987.
It was Mueller’s actions during that time that raised questions about his role in one of the FBI’s most controversial cases involving the FBI’s use of a confidential informant that led to the convictions of four innocent men, who were sentenced to death for murders they did not commit.
Local law enforcement officials, the media, and some colleagues criticized Mueller and the FBI for what they believed was the bureau’s role in covering up for the FBI’s longtime dealings with mobster and informant James “Whitey” Bulger.

https://saraacarter.com/questions-still-surround-robert-muellers-boston-past/

You can find even more if you look. He's no "good guy" regardless of how big of an egotistical lying asshole Trump is

[rebelyell2006]

What are the laws that the Trump* Campaign violated? I guess Tiny Dick Dogfucker does not believe in campaign finance laws, computer security laws, foreign agent registration laws, perjury laws, tax laws, RICO laws...

[Guest]

Nice list... how about some actual specifics to go with them? I don't see any of them that Trump has violated, and all of the crimes of connected folks happened while they were not part of the campaign.

Happy to acknowledge any real proof. Till then, Kyote's post applies to you.

[McKinstry]

By the way, did you ever fact check yourself on the claim I challenged you on concerning numbers and dispositions of high level people fired, demoted, transferred or quit?

I challenged you on the term "many". You tossed it out there but substantiated nothing.

For example, many Trump supporters are stupid is simply a vague and meaningless number whereas of the 60 million Trump voters, I would estimate only about 20-25% are truly stupid based on a correlation between evangelical support, support for conspiracy theories and disbelief in hard science such as evolution and climate change. Thus when I say that roughly 12-15 million of Trump supporters in 2016 are stupid, we have a number to discuss.

Or of likely voters, Trump has a hard floor of about 35% of the electorate regardless of the lunacy of the week thus our core initial group is 35% of 120 million or 42 million. Of that 42 million how many can be considered simply stupid versus say wealthy enough and unpatriotic enough to not give a darn what happens to the country as long as they do well. Keeping in mind that intelligence is generally distributed on a bell curve, how much of Trump support lies to the left of dead center on said bell curve?

[kyotebue2]

I would have guessed a higher number McKinstry.

[Guest]

I would have guessed a higher number McKinstry.

The Math don’t lie.

[McKinstry]

I don't see any of them that Trump has violated

Cohen plead guilty to a campaign finance law violation for paying Stormy Daniels. A US Federal Court acknowledged his plea and thus per se, a law was violated and Cohen stands, today, a convicted Federal felon. In his plea, "the candidate" was specifically stated as the knowing beneficiary of that campaign finance law violation and co-conspirator.

It is a legitimate issue of law as to whether a sitting President can be indicted. It is however factual that the Draftdodger is at this point, an unindicted co-conspirator for that particular violation.

[Guest]

Strzok now joins the ranks of more than 25 FBI and DOJ officials who have been forced out—largely in disgrace. Here is a list of the notable Trump-era firings, demotions, and departures:

FBI Departures:

James Comey, director (fired) https://www.cnn.com/specials/politics/james-comey-firing
Andrew McCabe, deputy director (fired) http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/05/new-details-about-basis-for-andrew-mccabes-firing-from-fbi-revealed.html
Peter Strzok, counterintelligence expert (fired) https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-agent-peter-strzok-fired-over-anti-trump-texts/2018/08/13/be98f84c-8e8b-11e8-b769-e3fff17f0689_story.html?utm_term=.fea759894ed5
Lisa Page, attorney (demoted; resigned) https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/04/politics/fbi-officials-lisa-page-james-baker-resign/index.html
James Rybicki, chief of staff (resigned)
James Baker, general counsel (resigned) https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/04/politics ... index.html
Mike Kortan, assistant director for public affairs (resigned) https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/08/fbi-texts-officials-resign-400533
Josh Campbell, special assistant to James Comey (resigned) https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/opinion/leaving-the-fbi.html
James Turgal, executive assistant director (resigned) https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/pages/about-deloitte/articles/press-releases/deloitte-adds-former-fbi-james-turgal-to-cybersecurity-practice.html
Greg Bower, assistant director for office of congressional affairs (resigned) https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/politics/greg-brower-fbi-office-of-congressional-affairs/index.html
Michael Steinbach, executive assistant director (resigned) https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/10/politics/james-comey-firing-fbi-morale-impact/index.html
John Giacalone, executive assistant director (resigned) http://www.njherald.com/20161028/your-fathers-fbi-is-now-the-obama-fbi


DOJ Departures:

Sally Yates, deputy attorney general (fired) https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics ... index.html
Bruce Ohr, associate deputy attorney general (twice demoted) http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/07/top-doj-official-demoted-amid-probe-contacts-with-trump-dossier-firm.html So much for him being "untouched" I believe you claimed.
David Laufman, counterintelligence chief (resigned) https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-dept-official-who-helped-oversee-clinton-russia-probes-steps-down/2018/02/07/ab19f24e-0b69-11e8-8b0d-891602206fb7_story.html?utm_term=.87af0c783c77
Rachel Brand, deputy attorney general (resigned) https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/who-rachel-brand-how-does-her-resignation-affect-mueller-s-ncna846621
Trisha Beth Anderson, office of legal counsel for FBI (demoted or reassigned*)
John P. Carlin, assistant attorney general (resigned) https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/head-of-justice-departments-national-security-division-to-step-down/2016/09/27/59cb95c4-84e6-11e6-ac72-a29979381495_story.html?utm_term=.7840fd0ec6c9
Peter Kadzik, assistant attorney general, congressional liaison (resigned) https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/01/justice-department-private-account-emails-233742
Mary McCord, acting assistant attorney general (resigned) https://www.npr.org/2017/04/20/524905899/leader-of-justice-department-national-security-division-on-the-way-out
Matthew Axelrod, principal assistant to deputy attorney general (resigned) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/business/dealbook/matthew-axelrod-justice-dept-linklaters-law-firm.html
Preet Bharara, U.S. attorney, SDNY (fired along with 45 other U.S. Attorneys) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/11/us/politics/preet-bharara-us-attorney.html
Sharon McGowan, civil rights division (resigned) https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/civil-rights-under-assault-justice-department-doj-exile-says-n881386
Diana Flynn, litigation director for LGBTQ civil rights (resigned) https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/civil-rights-under-assault-justice-department-doj-exile-says-n881386
Vanita Gupta, civil rights division (resigned) https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/civil-rights-under-assault-justice-department-doj-exile-says-n881386
Joel McElvain, assistant branch director of the civil division (resigned) https://www.newsweek.com/who-joel-mcelvain-doj-official-resigned-after-justice-department-announced-it-974023
*Status Unclear

That's a start. I'm sure there will be more.

[Guest]

I don't see any of them that Trump has violated

Cohen plead guilty to a campaign finance law violation for paying Stormy Daniels. A US Federal Court acknowledged his plea and thus per se, a law was violated and Cohen stands, today, a convicted Federal felon. In his plea, "the candidate" was specifically stated as the knowing beneficiary of that campaign finance law violation and co-conspirator.

It is a legitimate issue of law as to whether a sitting President can be indicted. It is however factual that the Draftdodger is at this point, an unindicted co-conspirator for that particular violation.

Cohen pleading guilty to something that is not a crime based on wording given to him to say as a part of a plea deal does not make what he did a crime. It isn't. The reason is that for it to have been a campaign finance law violation, the item in question needs to be uniquely tied to the campaign and would not have otherwise occurred. Just like settling a lawsuit, buying ads for your business or getting a haircut, all of those things could reasonably be expected to occur to improve one's image in the world. Were he just Trump the businessman, he would very likely been just as eager to not have that information get out, hence not unique to the campaign, hence no campaign violation. Dershowitz is but one of a number of lawyers and legal experts, of whom I do not claim to be, who have provided that same explanation. Sorry.

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