Frothers Unite! UK

Adam Smiths left Nut wrote:As I explained to Apathy, people in cities vote for democrats because the conservatives disdain city people.

Simple as that.

With a few exceptions high population density areas vote Democrat while low population density votes Republican.

Why would you vote for someone who openly disdains you?

Adam smiths left nut wrote:Replacing one crook with another isn't exactly progress.

Winnie wrote:

Macunaima wrote:

Winnie wrote: God knows why, but Democrats were responsible for it...

And that about sums up the entirety of your argument, doesn't it?

Here's the thing, OFM: "communists" like me have been saying it's a one-party system for a hound's age. Now, once-prosperous white working class men have found this out and what do they do? They DOUBLE DOWN on the very beliefs and attitudes that fucked them over in the first place.

So yeah, I get it: the Democrats suck. No shit. So let's vote for a man who is everything we hate in Democrats dialed up to eleven. Yeah, that'll give us some change, for sure. And while we are at it, let's call everyone to the left of Himmler "communists" and "terrorists" and let's make excuses for Nazi thugs who go marching through the streets because, golly, their hair might have been mussed by some adolescent antifas.

I can only laugh -- bitterly -- when I see Trump-voting family members now scared shitless because they'll lose the only health care they ever had. What, they didn't think the man meant what he said? Oh, no, I get it: they thought he was just going to go after those free-loading immigrants and niggers, not them! They're good patriotic white Americans! Surely Trump wouldn't turn on them?

I get the anger at the Democrats, I really do. But when you're political response is to vote for a man who'll put you in a worse place and much quicker.... then you're a fool and an idiot.

Kinda hard to not feel scorn for a substantial portion of the white American working class -- which is my background, by the way -- when their go-to solution for everything is and always has been "I will sell other workers who don't look like me down the river if only you'll give me some guns and let me take a few potshots at them first".

GUNS are more inportant to your average yahoo than any other issue out there. That's because the illusion of being a citizen and being free to fear-monger about people who don't look or act like you has always been way more important to the majority of the white American working class than actual freedom.

This is you at your most obnoxious, condescending and superior self.
You assume racism when it isn't there.
Straw man arguments.
And so on.

WTF on the road wrote:The painful reality is that neither major party gives a rats ass about their citizens provided they can misdirect anger at some "other" be it a different color, religion or political persuasion. The right blames immigrants or liberals or Muslims while the left blames conservatives, evangelicals or gun nuts. The reality is that fundamental structural challenges in a global economy are very very complex impossible to solve by any single national government, much less a pissant local city or county government.

The US has yet to even address in an honest fashion the massive shift in economic power from manufacturing to finance capital, from Detroit and Pittsburgh to Wall Street. Last year the bonus payments on Wall Street exceeded the total earnings of the bottom three quintiles of the American working population. Bitching about coal or textile or steel while Wall Street bends the economy over is absolutely fiddling while Rome catches fire, blows up and then falls over.