State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby General Apathy » Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:25 am

I don't believe ANTIFA constitutes even a tiny fraction of the "left" and in fact are much more pure anarchist than anything actually of the left. They pretty much hate everyone and everything that seems vaguely organized in any aspect.


They don't see themselves that way. http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/index.html
Unmasking the leftist Antifa movement


Surprisingly enough, it is from CNN.

Many of those arrested identified themselves as part of the Antifa movement. Its name derives from "anti-fascist," and it has come to represent what experts who track these organizations call the "hard left" -- an ideology that runs afield of the Democratic Party platform and supports oppressed populations as it protests the amassing of wealth by corporations and elites...And their methods are often violent. Antifa leaders admit they're willing to physically attack anyone who employs violence against them or who condones racism -- as long as force is used in the name of eradicating hatred.


Kinda like that famous quote from the Major in NAM "It became necessary to destroy the town to save it.”

Earlier this year, Antifa activists were among those who smashed windows and set fires during protests at the University of California, Berkeley...Indeed, over the past year, Antifa members have been involved in clashes across the country and the world, including in Chicago, Philadelphia, Houston, Alabama and Nebraska, and at the G20 summit in Hamburg, Germany....

"Each of us breaks the law every day. It's just that we make the conscious choice to do that," he said.
Antifa members also sometimes launch attacks against people who aren't physically attacking them. The movement, Crow said, sees alt-right hate speech as violent, and for that, its activists have opted to meet violence with violence. Right or wrong, "that's for history to decide," he said.


Sounds like the alt-right justifications as well.

But then police caught whispers that Antifa members were planning to push past police into the alt-right rally square.
Officers moved in with rubber bullets, pepper spray and smoke bombs. They pushed the masked Antifa activists into a corner and detained them. Many shed their black clothing and left it on the streets as police decided whom to arrest.
"We did seize a large number of weapons or things that could be used as weapons," Simpson said. "Everything from knives to brass knuckles to poles and sticks and bricks and bottles and road flares and chains. One hundred percent, they came geared up to fight if it would be allowed."


But...but...they're just here to PROTECT, right?

'Cept that isn't what they say or do at all, is it?
...all this from someone who is neither apathetic nor a general
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby General Apathy » Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:27 am

People act as if Antifa were even an organization


It is a movement with some local and inter locational organization and coordination, but in and of itself, it is NOT an organization like many of the white supremacist groups are.

From the article above:
"With no central leader, Antifa adherents have found each other in local communities. They communicate and recruit largely through social media. Their protests are organized via Facebook. And of late, in active areas, monthly meetings have increased in frequency to several times each week. "
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby Macunaima » Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:55 am

Eyewitness report from a friend at the demo...

"Anyone who was on the ground in Berkeley yesterday will tell you how beautiful a demonstration it was: thousands of people, old and young and in between, socialists, anarchists, liberals, unionists, brass bands, religious groups, students, you name it. There was tactical cooperation between very different groups. A large Antifa contingent played a vital role in defending the community from the 30 or so white supremacists who showed up armed and looking to fight. There were a handful of scuffles, and a few Nazi's got mildly beat up and removed from the park by Antifa folks (which I think is absolutely ok, and amazing). But the day was overwhelmingly celebratory and peaceful.

"The hundreds and hundreds of cops in all their military gear were totally useless, and they were forced to abandon their plans of restricting entrance to Civic Center park because there was just too many of us. There was no large scale violence whatsoever, which just shows what can happen when you kick the Nazi's out of town: shit tends to be a lot more peaceful. Weird, huh?

"What kept the peace was: 1.) masses of peacefully assembled people on the streets and 2.) a couple hundred Antifa who used a small amount of force to prevent any white nationalist violence. It was an absolute success, and today those of us who were there are talking about how beautiful it was to see a true diversity of tactics at work, and we're NOT arguing about whether it's ok to break windows. This feels like a huge step forward.

"The media is apparently living in a completely alternative universe. Today all you see in the headlines is "Anarchists cause violence in Berkeley." It's frustrating I guess, but not surprising. Their narrative is so completely detached from what happened that one wonders if they wrote their story on Saturday. I guess they decided that it's not as exciting to print a story about diverse sections of the community (of which are anarchists are merely one, though sizable, element) coming together and working in solidarity across huge ideological and identity divides, and successfully driving out fascists from Berkeley using very limited physical violence, and leaving no shattered glass behind to whine about. But that's what happened, unequivocally. Please spread the word, if you were not present, so that people do not get misled by this. This weekend was a huge moment for the Bay, and was a perfect example of what we can accomplish when anti-fascists of all stripes put our heads and hearts together."
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby Winnie » Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:58 am

They fired the asshole!
https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek ... 55%3famp=1

There's hope for America yet!
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby kyotebue2 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:14 am

Rasmussen 41-58 Reuters/Ipsos 36-59 I get to crow.
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby Macunaima » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:18 am

Winnie wrote:They fired the asshole!
https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek ... 55%3famp=1

There's hope for America yet!


Kinda funny that in supposedly politically correct America, we never hear about university professors getting fired when they say that blacks are genetically inferior to whites or other like trash.

God, is academia in the left's hands!
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby General Apathy » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:26 am

Eyewitness report from a friend at the demo...


Talk about living in an alternate universe. Ever hear of videotape? When multiple sources have it on film, citizens from the counter protesters are on record, and there are police arrests, that rose colored glasses fiction from the"eyewitness is a joke.
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:42 am

Again, remember - don't respond to the twat. Ignore him.
He'll come out with stuff purposefully to provoke you. Be strong and just ignore him.
That's the only way you'll get to him. He thrives on attention, so don't give him any. It winds him up something rotten.
No matter what he says (he's just doing it to make you say something), just ignore him.
It really aggravates him. He gets more desperate and starts getting abusive. You can tell it's working.
Ignore him.
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:09 am

General Apathy wrote:She never should have said that aloud. Once she did, the sea lion was entitled to an answer. Avoiding the issue only brings more questions, whereas if she had answered him, or better yet never provoked him, there never would have been a problem.

She was never interested in having an intelligent conversation with the sea lion. She was only out to be antagonistic.

And it worked.

Please remember that cautionary tale the next time you choose to provoke a sea lion.



The fucking Sea Lion was NOT invited into that conversation, it butted in like a rude piece of shit. And them sent PM after PM to unwilling recipients. :D

Who knew Sea Lions smelt like ignorance, arrogance, wet dogs and knob splodge?
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:14 am

Sympathies to those in Texas, especially Altius who seems like a swell chap.

If only the United States had some large organisation with boats, aircraft, lots of supplies and manpower.

Still, shepherds to murder and all that...
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