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Guest wrote:More antifa goodness.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/27/berke ... ark-video/

Damn! Those fucking fascists didn't even show up!
No matter.

Yeah, we better stop those antifa people before they popularize the notion that fascism is bad. In any case, they are a grave danger because the president of the United States hired their spokesman and is obviously a secret radical antifascist. Just look at all the antifa tactics and buzzwords he used during his electoral campaign! The antifa are just a cunt's hair away from making a real impression on the body politic.

Get over yourself, Bill. Losing/winning sports franchises do more havok than that. I am sure plenty of people were arrested.

I can't help but wonder if Granpa, Winnie, and Bill would be all so "I bravely stand for free speach" if it were a NAMBLA rally we were talking about (OK, maybe Bill...). Or how about a rally of flat-out ISIS or Al Quaeda supporters who happened to get a permit? I know Grandpa would support a Dog-fuckers' rally, but Winnie the Pooh and Bill would probably object.

Face it, gentlemen: you don't give a fuck about "free speach at any cost". There are causes and people you find so reprehensible you'd go out in the streets against (or would, if you could drag your fat, graying asses from out of the basement). And, unlike paedos or dog-fuckers, nazis go into the streets armed and lookig for confrontation.

When you sit here saying "it's all a wash, both sides are equal", you are in fact supporting nazis.

A group goes into the streets supporting the idea that you have no right to live. If you do not protest that, you are stupid. If you do, they start fights and if there's any reaction on your side, you look violent. It's win/win for them. The only possible solution is to react so strongly and massively that they become afraid of taking to the streets.

If I had a magic wand and could stop all violence in protest, I would. That isn't the case though. To try and portray the antifa as even slightly as much of a threat as the fascists is ludicrous. To begin with, the antifa wouldn't even be in the streets if the fascists weren't.

Macunaima wrote:Finally, correct me on this, but is Irael not a settler state? Is it not involved in seizing and colonizing other peoples' lands?

Happy to correct you.
No it's not.
There were Jews in Israel throughout history.
Victims of Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Crusaders, Egyptians, Turks and Brits.
After being told 'go back to your own country' after each pogrom some of us got the message and went home.
There was never a Palestinian state until Israel created one and the grateful Arabs lob rockets at Israeli schools.
21% of Israeli citizens are Arabs and it could have been more if some of the Arabs hadn't repeatedly tried to finish off what their hero Hitler started.

But I like how "the fascists didn't even show up" and yet were simultaneously visciously and violently attacked by the antifa. Doublethink much?

No. All of the reports I've read and news I've seen made two points perfectly clear:
1. There were RW protests that were scheduled and for which permits had been obtained that the groups themselves decided to not hold because of the potential for violence, and
2. There were RW protesters who were not part of the planned organized events who did show up.

Although clearly it must be untrue because of where it was published, there were reports of counter protesters (peaceful, legitimate) who were opposed to the alt-left ANTIFA goons and others (reportedly among other things, threatening news crews, beating up folks for carrying an American flag, etc.) because every time they go into action, masks, clubs and all it is both providing recruiting material for the alt-right as well as the danger of the legitimate counter protester getting broad brushed as the violence being a part of their doing, making them less legitimate.

Macunaima wrote:I can't help but wonder if Granpa, Winnie, and Bill would be all so "I bravely stand for free speach" if it were a NAMBLA rally we were talking about (OK, maybe Bill...). Or how about a rally of flat-out ISIS or Al Quaeda supporters who happened to get a permit? I know Grandpa would support a Dog-fuckers' rally, but Winnie the Pooh and Bill would probably object.

Face it, gentlemen: you don't give a fuck about "free speach at any cost". There are causes and people you find so reprehensible you'd go out in the streets against (or would, if you could drag your fat, graying asses from out of the basement). And, unlike paedos or dog-fuckers, nazis go into the streets armed and lookig for confrontation.

When you sit here saying "it's all a wash, both sides are equal", you are in fact supporting nazis.

A group goes into the streets supporting the idea that you have no right to live. If you do not protest that, you are stupid. If you do, they start fights and if there's any reaction on your side, you look violent. It's win/win for them. The only possible solution is to react so strongly and massively that they become afraid of taking to the streets.

If I had a magic wand and could stop all violence in protest, I would. That isn't the case though. To try and portray the antifa as even slightly as much of a threat as the fascists is ludicrous. To begin with, the antifa wouldn't even be in the streets if the fascists weren't.

I have to go to work now, so I will leave you with the "Bullshit and Straw Man" award today.

An army of anarchists in black clothing and masks routed a small group of right-wing demonstrators who had gathered in a Berkeley park Sunday to rail against the city’s famed progressive politics, driving them out — sometimes violently — while overwhelming a huge contingent of police officers.
Hundreds of officers tried to maintain calm in and around Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park before the 1 p.m. “No to Marxism in Berkeley” rally, putting up barricades, searching bags and confiscating sticks, masks, pepper spray and even water bottles. The goal was to head off the type of clashes that sprang from similar rallies in the city earlier this year.
But once again, counterdemonstrators frustrated efforts by police, who numbered about 400. As the crowd swelled to several times that size, officers stepped aside and allowed hundreds of people angered by the presence of the right-wing rally to climb over the barriers into the park, said Officer Jennifer Coats, a spokeswoman for Berkeley police.
The masked counterprotesters, often referred to as antifa or antifascists, significantly outnumbered the people who had come for the rally, many of whom wore red clothing indicating support for President Trump. The anarchists chased away the right-wingers, and in one case four or five pummeled a man with fists and sticks before a radio host for Reveal, Al Letson, jumped in to shield the victim. Anarchists also attacked reporters who documented their actions.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Masked-anarchists-violently-rout-right-wing-12041287.php

Anarchy in Berkeley: A hundred black-clad antifascists with 'no hate' signs storm rally, pepper spray leader of conservative Patriot Prayer group and clash with cops. Ten have been arrested after skirmishes on Sunday between competing rallies in Berkeley, California
Thousands of protesters joined a left-wing 'Rally Against Hate' march in the college town. They descended on a handful of pro-Trump protesters at 'No To Marxism' rally that had been called off. Over 100 black-clad masked antifa broke through police lines waving anarchist flags, assaulting several

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The “March Against Marxism” was a planned protest that had nothing to do with the alt-right, but it was canceled after receiving threats from the militant leftist group By Any Means Necessary (BAMN). BAMN claimed it was a “neo-Nazi” rally, but the rally itself was organized by a transgender woman http://www.ktvu.com/news/275565979-storyand other like-minded people who opposed the spread of Marxism in Berkeley.

Footage of the violence on Sunday erupted on social media after a mob of Antifa overran a small group of protesters. Police were reportedly issued the order to stand down and retreated and the situation only escalated from there.



In various clips, http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/27/berkeley-antifa-protest-turns-violent-as-anti-fascists-swarm-park-video/Antfa members can be seen assaulting individuals they described as “right-wing nationalists” and the “alt-right.” However, no identification has been made of these people to confirm if they were in any way affiliated with right-wing groups. Journalists were not spared from violence, as Antifa members attempted to seize phones and cameras by force. Antifa members can be heard yelling “Take his camera! Take his phone!”
A local Fox affiliate was attacked on camera by what appears to be a teenage girl roleplaying as Che Guavara. Some leftists traded blows with Antifa to prevent them from seriously injuring other protesters.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/27/berkeley-antifa-protest-turns-violent-as-anti-fascists-swarm-park-video/

Noteworthy that the legitimate counter protesters had to not only protect folks from ANTIFA violence, it is likely that at least some of them being protected were RW protesters.

But...but...ANTIFA isn't about violence. They are just there to PROTECT the LW counter protesters. See? That's why they hide their faces, carry clubs and initiate attacks.

Election board lists more general election votes than voters in Chicago

http://chicagocitywire.com/stories/511195461-election-board-lists-more-general-election-votes-than-voters-in-chicago

“There should be never be more votes than voters,” Cleveland said. “Every ballot cast should be recorded against a registered voter.”

The party did a breakdown of voting by precinct, and Cleveland said it found an uneven distribution of discrepancies. Fifteen precincts had 100 more ballots cast than voters, while others had fewer votes than voters.

In fact, based on the party's calculations, the combined total of votes in precincts showing more votes cast than voters was approximately 16,000, Cleveland said

Yeah, but 14-16 thousand bad votes isn't an indication of anything wrong...

Again, remember - don't respond to the twat. Ignore him.
He'll come out with stuff purposefully to provoke you. Be strong and just ignore him.
That's the only way you'll get to him. He thrives on attention, so don't give him any. It winds him up something rotten.
No matter what he says (he's just doing it to make you say something), just ignore him.
It really aggravates him. He gets more desperate and starts getting abusive. You can tell it's working.
Ignore him.

Guest wrote:Again, remember - don't respond to the twat. Ignore him.
He'll come out with stuff purposefully to provoke you. Be strong and just ignore him.
That's the only way you'll get to him. He thrives on attention, so don't give him any. It winds him up something rotten.
No matter what he says (he's just doing it to make you say something), just ignore him.
It really aggravates him. He gets more desperate and starts getting abusive. You can tell it's working.
Ignore him.

You could take your own advice

I've told him that repeatedly. I suspect that Bill is just trolling the place as I've pointed out more than once that all Frothers already know what he's "reminding" them, and he also can't stop himself from replying to my posts.

You might also review what I have posted and see that what he's claiming is a pile of shit.