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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:49 pm
by General Apathy
Or not...

You mean OTHER than "safe spaces" "Speech police" "microaggressions" "cultural appropriation" right?
And like Wellesley students advocating violence against conservatives for what they consider to be hate speech?
Like the "Occupy" movements?
and like "Sanctuary cities?" Stuff like that?
or the ANTIFA thugs who split open the reporter's head for "promoting the rape culture" by (brace yourself) TAKING THEIR PICTURE WITHOUT PERMISSION!!! Like that?
Or the riots in Berkeley and elsewhere? Those sort of things?
And being able to call for violence in general, even by our elected officials and even against the president of the USA? Like that? How much of an uproar would there have been if a GOP congressman said they hoped President Obama would be assassinated? But did you hear about the DEM who said it about Trump? On your unbiased, objective non-agenda driven MSM? Did you?
Or the way conservatives are harassed, discriminated against, unfairly graded in universities? Things like that?
Or were you talking about sanctuary cities? Having illegal aliens voting, and helping them do so? Like those things?
The assumption that most college campuses lean left is so widespread in American culture that it has almost become a caricature: intellectuals in thick-rimmed glasses preaching Marxism on idyllic grassy quads; students protesting minor infractions against political correctness; raging professors trying to prove that God is, in fact, dead. Studies about professors’ political beliefs and voting behavior suggest this assumption is at least somewhat correct. But Shields and Dunn set out to investigate a more nuanced question: For the minority of professors who are cultural and political conservatives, what’s life actually like?

Finding out wasn’t easy, in part because so many conservative professors are—as they put it—closeted. Some of the people they interviewed explicitly said they identify with the experience of gays and lesbians in having to hide who they are. One tenure-track sociology professor even asked to meet Shields and Dunn in a park a mile away from his university. “When the sound of footsteps intruded on our sanctuary, he stopped talking altogether, his eyes darting about,” they write. “Given the drama of this encounter, one might think that he is concealing something scandalous. In truth, this professor is hiding the fact that he is a Republican.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/conservatives-discrimination-universities/480372/

Or no, maybe it is just the LW violence you were referring to?
As far-flung as these incidents were, they have something crucial in common. Like the organizations that opposed the Multnomah County Republican Party’s participation in the 82nd Avenue of Roses Parade, these activists appear to be linked to a movement called “antifa,” which is short for antifascist or Anti-Fascist Action. The movement’s secrecy makes definitively cataloging its activities difficult, but this much is certain: Antifa’s power is growing. And how the rest of the activist left responds will help define its moral character in the Trump age.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/the-rise-of-the-violent-left/534192/

was that what you meant to exclude?

Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:07 pm
by rebelyell2006
OFM, I am not talking about calls for bans, I mean actual bans. Like the ban on pornography found in many states, that was lifted (perhaps coincidentally) when liberal feminists starting calling for it to be illegal. Or the ban on weed, or the former ban on alcohol sales (which is still in place in certain little Baptist slices of hell known as "dry counties"). What have liberals banned?

Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:09 pm
by Altius
The Shade of William F Buckley wrote:Ever wonder why Altius has not "answered your question"? - Because you are a cunt who offended him.


Actually, it's because I long ago muted the hell out of him and had no idea that he was asking any questions. But I have no doubt it was something offensive.

But this is how he operates. Always. He'll ask you a question and tries to get you to answer. Once you do, you're down the rabbit hole of equivocation and sketchy, partisan sources. If you follow him down there, you'll soon realize that he's not there to debate or discuss anything at all. He's only in it to score cheap points. If you point out the dubiousness of his sources or the fallacy of one of his claims, he'll try to bludgeon you with a wall of text and demand that you cough up chapter and verse of why, exactly why, it's wrong. He's like Glenn Close at the end of Fatal Attraction: He will not be IGNORED.

Plus, he'll do this starting early in the morning until after midnight, and frankly I find it exhausting. I have a fucking job and lots of people who depend on me. I don't know how he does it, honestly.

It's also unnecessary as I already know what he's going on about. I see that tiny white box popping furiously on this thread since we've been talking about the hate rally and I know he's taking the contrary position. But when we're talking about nazis, what other position could there be? So fuck him. I don't need to hear it.

Anyway, I've mentioned before how pointless I think it is to engage him. I don't know why you guys even bother. It's better to yank his chain and see those furious white boxes popping in impotent response, knowing that you've pissed him off again.

Ciao, baby.
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:16 pm
by General Apathy
Hey Rebby, since you give Robert KKK Byrd a free pass, how about this guy?
In 1867, the New Orleans Times asked several leading citizens to comment on the newly passed Reconstruction Acts. Unwisely, Longstreet suggested that Southerners support the Republicans. He was praised in the North, but vilified in the South. In June 1868, he received his pardon – by act of Congress – with help from General Grant. He supported Grant for president, and when elected, Grant nominated Longstreet to be the Surveyor of Customs for the Port of New Orleans. For this last betrayal of the South he was labeled a “scalawag.”

Many of Longstreet’s actions after the war were controversial: his letters to the New Orleans Times, his support of the Republican Party, his acceptance of political appointments, and the fact that he commanded African-Americans (part of the New Orleans Metropolitan Police Force). Worst of all, he had dared to criticize Robert E. Lee’s leadership. Very quickly he became the target of “Lost Cause” attacks by Jubal Early, William Pendleton, Rev. J William Jones, and others. Longstreet spent the rest of his life attempting to restore his reputation.
https://www.civilwar.org/learn/biographies/james-longstreet

UNLIKE Byrd, he worked hard and ruined his reputation in the South by trying to do the right thing. You OK with any statues of him remaining?

Find any of the affirmative steps like Longstreet took being done by your hero, Byrd?

Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:18 pm
by General Apathy
... had no idea that he was asking any questions. But I have no doubt it was something offensive.


Actually it wasn't offensive at all. Just wondering how you'd feel if your son was on the receiving end of what you excuse as justified.

...we've been talking about the hate rally and I know he's taking the contrary position.
to the haters here, not to the counter protesters and not in support of them alt-right criminals.

But Altius knows. He KNOWS!!

Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:20 pm
by rebelyell2006
Yep. Grampa Apathy is a lying hypocrite. It is fascinating to see his freakouts whenever people contradict him and call him on his bullshit. If I want a different viewpoint, I will talk to the OFM because he is still a reasonable person.

Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:34 pm
by Australian Dawn
General Apathy wrote:
The assumption that most college campuses lean left is so widespread in American culture that it has almost become a caricature: intellectuals in thick-rimmed glasses preaching Marxism on idyllic grassy quads; students protesting minor infractions against political correctness; raging professors trying to prove that God is, in fact, dead. Studies about professors’ political beliefs and voting behavior suggest this assumption is at least somewhat correct. But Shields and Dunn set out to investigate a more nuanced question: For the minority of professors who are cultural and political conservatives, what’s life actually like?

Finding out wasn’t easy, in part because so many conservative professors are—as they put it—closeted. Some of the people they interviewed explicitly said they identify with the experience of gays and lesbians in having to hide who they are. One tenure-track sociology professor even asked to meet Shields and Dunn in a park a mile away from his university. “When the sound of footsteps intruded on our sanctuary, he stopped talking altogether, his eyes darting about,” they write. “Given the drama of this encounter, one might think that he is concealing something scandalous. In truth, this professor is hiding the fact that he is a Republican.”

Or one might just think he was a paranoid nutter. :lol:
Was he wearing a tinfoil hat too, I wonder. :loopy:

Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:53 pm
by General Apathy
Yep. Grampa Apathy is a lying hypocrite.

Nope.
If I want a different viewpoint, I will talk to the OFM because he is still a reasonable person.

You could get a reasonable response from me if you were reasonable to start with. I've suggested it before and you chose to go the way of the Town Moron, making shit up even though it is easily shown, like your "there is no alt-left" that you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

I've had a number of reasonable discussions here with folks who have different viewpoints - so you can't claim that it is impossible or I am incapable of doing so. You just aren't interested in discussing anything. You'd far rather post your made up shit, exaggerations, and nonsense. Like these:

But Grampa Apathy has been spending the past 20 pages saying both sides were bad? Is he actually a liar?

So, blacks and Jews are the brown shirts now because they want to protect themselves from nazis?

He sympathizes with the nazis, but does not want to admit it. So instead, he tries to distract us by attacking the victims of the nazis.

Those are good people. Grampa Apathy probably considers them to be traitors, but growing up and abandoning racism is a good thing and should be encouraged.

Don't forget, Buckley Guest, that Grampa Apathy is a raging conservative Catholic, so he is fine with misogyny and anti-semitism.


None of which is true or supportable by my posts. I've specifically posted in response to your claims that:
Hard to support the Town Moron's claim if you look at what I actually posted. Maybe you can help? How exactly do the following support his claim?

(I'll save this and copy / paste for all the similar brainless posts that will appear to follow)
I've posted that:
1. The counter protesters had every right to be there
2. There were a few troublemakers on the left (ANTIFA) who camped armed and looking to have conflict
3. The authorities were unprepared for the event in terms of both planning and execution
4. The local and VA State Police failed to protect the citizens from the violent alt right criminals
5. The alt right criminals are domestic terrorists who should be pursued with the full force of the federal government
6. The alt right criminals should be pursued with the full force of the federal government for federal civil rights violations
7. The people who were attacked by the alt right are certainly within their right to defend themselves and others as they try to withdraw from an out of control situation.
8. The alt right trespassers on the UVA green should have been removed by the police, arresting those who would not comply.

So you tell me...what in that supports the Town Moron's claims? I haven't attacked the peaceful counter protesters, just limited my criticism of those opposing the alt right who came armed looking for a fight.

Yet lying loons like Rebby the Town Moron keep making brainless comments like I quoted and the hive mind drools and cheers him on.
How does your claim about me stand up against my laundry list?

You disagree about my claim that you and I can have a civil conversation while disagreeing? OK let's see you prove it. What in my list above do you disagree with and why? Or you pick a topic without making up positions that I haven't taken or posts I've never made.

Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:23 am
by McKinstry
Are you suggesting some sort of historic validity or valid policy attribution in linking the Democratic Party of 1867 with the current Democratic Party of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren? It would be every bit as valid to attribute the behaviors of the Whigs in the 1840's to their ultimate successors the Republicans.

Robert Byrd, the Prince of Pork and a horrid individual before and after his Klan life would, much like the current governor of West Virginia or possibly Joe Manchin soon, be a Republican of the 2017 ilk, not the 1867 or even 1950's flavor.

The alt-left/ANTIFA is not new and certainly predates Trump. For the most part they are the same black clad dipshits that break windows in chain fast food joints in whatever city the G20 or IMF meet. There is a core anarchist dipshit meets Mao wing on the left every bit as looney as the alt-right and almost as repugnant. The difference is that they do not nor ever had the tacit encouragement of the President of the United States.

Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:25 am
by Il Segaiolo Pedantesco
It's a tourist trap best avoided and with a name I keep misspelling...

Rename Faneuil Hall? That's the request of one Boston coalition
The violent clash in Charlottesville last weekend began with a protest against the city council's decision to remove a statue memorializing Confederate General Robert E. Lee.

Since then, other statues honoring the Confederacy and Confederate icons have been toppled by force or removed by city officials. Eight major cities across the United States are also reportedly considering removing Confederate symbols in their communities, according to CNN.

One group is bringing a similar debate to Boston, asking to rename city landmark Faneuil Hall.

Kevin Peterson, member of political group "The New Democracy Coalition," told reporters on Wednesday that the marketplace named for Peter Faneuil is "an embarrassment" to Boston, reports WCVB.

According to Peterson, Faneuil's role as a slave-owner and slave trader is reason to remove his name from the popular tourist marketplace and historic meeting place. Faneuil was born in 1700 and died in Boston in 1743.

WCVB reporter David Bienick said Mayor Marty Walsh did not outright reject the idea when asked.

At least 12 U.S. presidents have owned slaves throughout the country's history, including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Union Commanding General Ulysses S. Grant, prior to the Civil War.

In Massachusetts, there is one Confederate memorial. Fort Warren on Georges Island in Boston Harbor was erected in 1963, as Civil Rights federal legislation was being introduced. The memorial remembers 13 Confederate prisoners who died in captivity.

According to a 2016 report by the Southern Poverty Law Center, there are 1,500 Confederate symbols across the country, including 718 monuments. At least 109 public schools are named for General Robert E. Lee, and 80 counties and cities are named after Confederate icons.


He proposed that the building is renamed after Crispus Attucks, a black man, who was the first person killed in the Boston Massacre....