State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

[The Shade of William F Buckley]

Former President George HW Bush and his son, former President George W Bush, issued a joint statement calling on Americans to “reject racial bigotry, anti-Semitism, and hatred in all forms”.

There you go Donny - even George W knows what to do in the circumstances.

Also many elected Republican officials.

And the CEOs serving on his two advisory board (business genius, my ass).

And all of the heads of the military.

All that remains to defend him at this point are the dead-enders. Oh hey, GA, I didn't see you standing there!

Add in pretty much every President / Prime Minister around the world.

But no, he is too busy blaming hippies (and bystanders) for being shot while standing up for THEIR belief in the Constitution (Kent State, Jackson State).

Pretty amusing for a supposed "Defender of the Constitution" - Whose acts in defence of said document amount to whining at his keyboard and nothing else... Unless he is actually a security guard at a museum.

But I imagine he was getting "back rubs" with fuel oil at the time, while dreaming of Lassie, Rin Tin Tin and segregated soda fountains.

[Altius]

But no, he is too busy blaming hippies (and bystanders) for being shot while standing up for THEIR belief in the Constitution (Kent State, Jackson State).

Is that true? Jesus, that is completely repulsive. I'm not joking here, those were children, shot on their own campus.

That's stomach-turning. I have a son in school. I hope you're exaggerating for effect.

[The Shade of William F Buckley]

But no, he is too busy blaming hippies (and bystanders) for being shot while standing up for THEIR belief in the Constitution (Kent State, Jackson State).

Is that true? Jesus, that is completely repulsive. I'm not joking here, those were children, shot on their own campus.

That's stomach-turning. I have a son in school. I hope you're exaggerating for effect.

From Gaping Arsehole, page 1137


Another factor involved here concerns the simple fact that once the resistance turns serious and the rioters start dying, the revolutionary army tends to evaporate rather quickly, as occurred during the last mass revolutionary spasm in the spring of 1970. After Kent and Jackson state – four and nine fatalities, respectively, in both cases triggered by leftist actions -- it became a little difficult to scrape up a convincing People’s Liberation Army. In short order, the hard core turned to bombings and bank robberies, along the lines of the SLA and the Weathermen. But it may take a larger effusion of blood to get the same effect today, whether we like it or not. With mail order thugs they can hire, and professional agitators leading the useful idiots (like y'all) there is no telling how far folks will go ..."as far as necessary" I think the phrase here was.

It sure seems they want to do their part to pour gasoline on the fire. All with the full blessing of the "true believers" here who back them.

[General Apathy]

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Kent_State_Shootings?rec=1595

http://www.library.kent.edu/special-collections-and-archives/kent-state-shootings-may-4-collection is the university collection

The turbulence peaked on May 4th, when 3000 people (approximately 1,500 demonstrators and 1,500 bystanders) gathered in the University Commons to object to the National Guard presence on campus as well as to the Vietnam War. As the National Guard tried to disband the crowd, discord grew with rock throwing and yelling as the guards were trapped on a field for approximately 10 minutes. Only after the guards returned to the top of a hill, "twenty-eight of the more than seventy Guardsmen turned suddenly and fired" their weapons. (Lewis and Hensley, dept.kent.edu/sociology/lewis/LEWIHEN.htm, 2006) "A total of 67 bullets were fired" in a time frame "that lasted only thirteen seconds." (Kent State shootings) Innocent bystanders were among the victims, with 2 of the 4 students killed being caught in the fire while walking to class.

Although 8 National Guardsmen were brought up on charges in both criminal and civil trials, criminal charges were dismissed and a jury for the civil trial found that "none of the Guardsmen were legally responsible for the shootings" (Lewis and Hensley, 2006) due to their testimonies that they felt their safety had been threatened by the demonstrators. The State of Ohio ended further legal proceedings by settling out of court with the victims and their families, and the guardsmen issued a statement of regret concerning the incidents that occurred. The President’s Commission on Campus Unrest, which President Nixon established, "concluded that the Ohio National Guard shootings on May 4, 1970 were unjustified." (Kent State shootings).

So, you tell me...70 guardsmen surrounded by thousands who were not dispersing as directed, and hurling projectiles at the guardsmen. Some of the guardsmen felt threatened and IMHO panicked and fired. Is it the protesters FAULT? No. Was it [img]TRIGGERED[/img] by their actions? Sounds like it to me. Seems to me the folks here have been very busy defending the Charlottesville counter protesters who felt threatened and fought back. ...a jury for the civil trial found that "none of the Guardsmen were legally responsible for the shootings" (Lewis and Hensley, 2006) due to their testimonies that they felt their safety had been threatened by the demonstrators.

So. no, I didn't blame the protesters. And yes, those were children, shot on their own campus. But the events leading up to the incident certainly set the stage for the eventual unjustified shootings. Innocent bystanders were also injured by the shootings.

So tell me, Altius...you OK with the students and civilians not involved in the protests being subject to the lawlessness of the protesters which included mayhem, arson, destruction of property and injuries to other people? You OK with your son being subject to that? Any limits folks like that should be subject to? Or just let them carry on like the mayor of Baltimore chose to do?

Many folks here have called for murder of those who they see as evil. That seems a level or two higher than the guardsmen firing in self defense as they perceived it. You've been pretty silent on that.

Acceptable violence level by those who feel they are justified? The hive mind answer, objected to by only me was "whatever it takes"
You OK if someone decides they are on the side of the angels and sees your son as "evil" and decides to do "whatever it takes?"

Seems to be a lot of one way righteous indignation while absolving whatever wrongdoing is done by the other side.

The alt right group is evil. Doesn't mean that mob law should take effect. But that is what everyone but me seems to be calling for. And you are silent.

What's more, the hive mind seems to think there will be no consequences for the evil they propose. Even if the authorities decide to turn a blind eye, which I doubt will happen with what they propose, are you all so fucking stupid to think there won't be a bloody response and escalation?

[Adam Smiths Left Nut]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ville.html

Men and women of faith speak about who stood up for them when they were threatened by the white supremacists.

Where were the heavily armed militias that insist they are defending our freedoms? The militias and oathkeepers and other LARP'ers?
Why weren't they present to protect these protesters from assault by radical extremists?


Oh... they were on the other side, doing the attacking.

Fair enough.

[Adam Smiths Left Nut]

But Im sure every one of these pastors were Soros sponsored communist BLM anarchist muslims

[Adam Smiths Left NUt]

Oh god, a lady was there telling the nazi's "peace be with you" while they shouted obscenities at her and her 13 year old child.

Must be a violent antifa member! Better gas her immediately.

[General Apathy]

I've posted repeatedly about the failure to make preparations, have plans and forces in place and for law enforcement to do something more than stand by and ignore what was taking place.

But Im sure every one of these pastors were Soros sponsored communist BLM anarchist muslims

A pointless throw away meaningless comment. I've neither stated or implied that.

You can post all the shit you want. I've condemned the alt right. I've called for the full force of the federal government to be used against them. I've repeatedly stated that the vast majority of the counter protesters were doing so peacefully. So knock yourself out with your meaningless carping.

And BTW, I'm not the person calling for violence. Yet you are as silent as Altius. Why is that?

[Adam Smiths Left Nut]

Besides, I don't know why Apathy is soiling himself.

His goons control the gubermint now. We'll see crack downs on peaceful protest soon enough.
Remember "free speech zones" ?

You will get your wishes and the strong arm of men in gas masks and heavy boots will brutalize all the unworthies that you have condemned.

It will be like Christmas, only with broken teeth and violated civil rights.

And the best part is that violent authoritarians never ever come after people who weren't on the original enemy list.
So you're safe.

[General Apathy]

FTFU

You will get your wishes and the strong arm of men in gas masks and heavy boots will brutalize all the unworthies that you have condemned.

I'm not the one calling for violence, asshole. And there are no posts of mine implying that I'm supportive of that. Nor have I "condemned any unworthies" other than perhaps labeling the alt right criminals as domestic terrorists.

It will be like Christmas, only with broken teeth and violated civil rights.

Yet it is the hive mind calling for selective denial of civil rights and brutalizing unworthies that they have condemned. And you are perfectly fine with what they actually post while you go after me for things I haven't posted.

Why are you such a hypocrite?