State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby General Apathy » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:16 pm

kyotebue2 wrote:And Trump disbands the Trade and Manufacturing councils rather than have all the CEO's keep quitting.
The unintended humor!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75SEy1qu71I

Wonder if there were indications of more on the way.
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby General Apathy » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:32 pm

Made the point earlier about the conscious decisions made about how much or little the police should do and the failure to have a plan and resources in place were a major contributor to this boiling over.
https://www.propublica.org/article/police-stood-by-as-mayhem-mounted-in-charlottesville
Police Stood By As Mayhem Mounted in Charlottesville
State police and National Guardsmen watched passively for hours as self-proclaimed Nazis engaged in street battles with counter-protesters. ProPublica reporter A.C. Thompson was on the scene and reports that the authorities turned the streets of the city over to groups of militiamen armed with assault rifles.


Though Breitbart, the quote of the man from Finland about the actions is worthwhile, and the comments from the alt right folks throw further bad light on police actions
One man, who was vacationing in the United States from Finland, arrived with one of the last waves to get into Emancipation Park before the event was shut down. From his perspective, “these two groups of very polarly opposed political and social and moral views were forced into conflict” by policing tactics. He recounted his experience to Breitbart News:

I was expecting to enter a peaceful protest to protect this monument and part of United States history from utter and total rewriting. I entered with people from the United States who were aware there were going to be counter-protesters. They promised to keep me safe, which they did. But what happened was, the police force, which should have kept the protesting parties separate, in fact funneled the right-wing protesters, the people defending the monument, right into Antifa, [making them run] a gauntlet of Antifa to the monument … Then – I don’t know the details of it – on dubious legal grounds, [the police] declared the gathering of right-wing protesters unlawful. We were forced to leave the venue and run another gauntlet.

Similar accounts were given by two self-described Alt-Right activists in their mid-20s who came from the Midwest for the rally. Unlike the Finnish man above, the pair were with one of the first waves to get to Emancipation Park. They asked to be identified by the pseudonyms “George” and “Sean.”

“We’re seeing [projectiles] being thrown back and forth. The police seemed almost to misdirect people, sending them to the wrong side of the park so they would have to go through the crowd [of leftists],” George told Breitbart News, describing the progression into chaos.

The pair claimed that their pleas to police that Unite the Right participants, especially the featured speakers, were gravely endangered by running the “gauntlet” fell on deaf ears. “What was weird was that the police started forming a shield wall moving on to us, forcing us out onto this narrow staircase where we were right in front of Antifa,” George said of the scene as the rally was being dispersed.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/13/alt-right-activists-condemn-violence-dispute-mainstream-account/


The American thinker article is useful for the links to other sources and pictures much more so than what the article itself provides
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/08/in_charlottesville_where_were_the_police.html
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby General Apathy » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:36 pm

Gov. McCauliff knew what to expect, made this statement the day prior and obviously either lied or the plans were changed. Pretty clear that the "...act quickly and decisively in order to keep the public and themselves safe..." part of it never happened.
Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe urged Virginians to stay away in a statement released hours before a planned "Unite the Right" rally that could bring thousands of white nationalists, neo-Confederates, alt-right activists, and counter protesters to Charlottesville.

"In advance of [Saturday's] rally there have been communications from extremist groups, many of which are located outside of Virginia, who may seek to commit acts of violence against rally participants or law enforcement officials.

"In the event that such violent or unlawful conduct occurs, I have instructed state public safety officials to act quickly and decisively in order to keep the public and themselves safe," Governor McAuliffe's statement read. "I want to urge my fellow Virginians who may consider joining either in support or opposition to the planned rally to make alternative plans.

"Many of the individuals coming to Charlottesville are doing so in order to express viewpoints many people, including me, find abhorrent.

"As long as that expression is peaceful, that is their right. But it is also the right of every American to deny those ideas more attention than they deserve.

"Men and women from state and local agencies will be in Charlottesville tomorrow to keep the public safe, and their job will be made easier if Virginians, no matter how well-meaning, elect to stay away from the areas where this rally will take place."

The governor said Virginia State Police would handle police planning and response for rally and that the Virginia National Guard was on stand by if needed.


At a brief press conference this evening, Virginia officials declined to answer questions about the police response, but said they were not taken surprise by the violence or the number of protesters. “This could have been a much worse day,” said Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, “We planned for a long time for today’s incidents.”
https://www.propublica.org/article/police-stood-by-as-mayhem-mounted-in-charlottesville

Could have fooled me. I'd hate to see what would have happened if they hadn't planned a long time.
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby nemesis » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:38 pm

Breitbart FFS :roll:
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby General Apathy » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:42 pm

When asked by NPR’s David Green why law enforcement did not engage protesters when it appeared the situation got out of hand, McAuliffe responded:

“Now they had to be very careful. We had been planning for this for a while we had showed tremendous restraint because we knew we had a lot of intelligence these people all came armed. David I’ve never seen so many weapons.” The governor went on to say, “These people were wearing better gear than my own state police were wearing. They had body armor helmets. They were all…people walking around with semi-automatic rifles through the streets.”

“Well let’s be very clear let’s think about where we are today. Not one ounce of property damage not one person went to the hospital outside of the car incident which David you can’t protect against that. I mean but not one person went to the hospital from the rally. Not one ounce of property damage an not one single gunshot was fired,” McAuliffe said.

The governor then seized on the time to point the finger at the American Civil Liberties Union, who defeated the city of Charlottesville in court for white nationalists to be able to march in Emancipation Park, where a statue of Robert E. Lee was to be removed.

“I will tell you this, though, David, we asked – the city of Charlottesville – asked for that to be moved out of downtown Charlottesville to a park about a mile and a half away, a lot of open fields, that was the place that it should have been. We were unfortunately sued by the ACLU and the judge ruled against us. That rally should not have been in the middle of downtown…It became a powder keg. And we’ve gotta look at these permits and we’ve gotta look at where we put these rallies and protesters. I’ve got to protect public safety and our police did a magnificent job,” said the Virginia governor.


He'll be one of those running in 2020 by all indications.
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby General Apathy » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:54 pm

Yes, Breitbart, which I pointed out simply because their writing is what it is.


I pointed out that the quote of the individual was what was important. Seen that anywhere else on the unbiased, objective non-agenda driven MSM? Didn't think so.
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby nemesis » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:03 pm

Breitbart FFS :roll:
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:08 pm

Any comments you'd like to make, Ga:

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/white-suprema ... 40368.html

Keep in mind how you were happy to vent a bit of spleen on the 'evil' and 'cruel' DEMS, so feel free to show the extent of your passion on the above story...
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby General Apathy » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:10 pm

FFS did you read the quote? Or is your moronic echo all of which you are capable?
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Re: State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:16 pm

Ah ha. I see...
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