State of the Union - pre/post election & whatever...

[gweirda]

My objection was to those who rightfully complained about the Nazis and white supremacists but were totally silent about any wrongdoing on the other side.

And what was their motivation, again?


schmuck.

[Guest]

You bellend, GA.
Again, your immature literalism and blind devotion to 'the constitution' serves you ill.

You are, of course, technically correct - BOTH sides broke the law.
BOTH sides were legally in the wrong.

But opposing fascism, even if it involves breaking the law, is morally correct.

Your 'they can do what they want so long as they don't break the law' line is fucking weak and dangerous. Hitler was voted in legally, and a lot of fucking good that adherence to law and 'constitution' did the fucking world, eh? But I suppose that's alright by you, eh, since the law was followed?
See how fucking stupid your blind devotion and inflexibility can be at times? And then see how (illegally) opposing such potential dangers is necessary and morally right some times?

No, I doubt you do. Actually, I reckon you do see it but you'll refuse to concede.

If you don't want people to make natural inferences from what you say and the position you take then you may want to think about not doing and saying the things you do.

6-nil to me.

[kyotebue2]

Violence on both sides, yes Nazis trying to kill people and those people fighting back and dying.

[General Apathy]

Since it seems 1 innocent dead and a dozen wounded is still not enough to pull you off the Clinton/BLM/antifa ramble.


How many has to die before you realize who you are running unwitting interference for?

Why do you do this? Because "it's your side"? I shouldn't think so.
Then what? Because "liberals are against them?" Well fuck, so should you be, the nazis aren't going to give a shit about your constitution if they get in power.

What is the exact death tally you need to have?

What a complete pile of dishonest shit! Do you really believe what you posted or are you just one more "He disagrees with me so I'll attack him for things he's never said, done or posted."

I'm not running interference for anyone. In pointing out there were violent participants on both sides and labeling the Nazi/white supremacists how the fuck does that make me on their side? Or running interference for them? Or defending them?

I'm against the Nazis and the white supremacists. I'm also against all the "we can break the law and violently oppose them because we decided it is the right thing to do" assholes here...you are endorsing EXACTLY the thought process and actions of the folks you hate.

How far is it OK to go? Serious maiming? Running cars into them? Firearms next time? Lynchings? What exactly?

You guys are sick. You have a warped sense of justice, and a hateful logic as displayed in your posts which attack me but ignore completely what I've posted.

Altius. It isn't a rhetorical question. As several folks have complained and the press had carried, the police were negligent in their duties. That in turn let the violence start and get out of control. I fault the law enforcement and the governor for not making sure they had sufficient forces on hand to deal with the problem. What did they think would happen?

The counter protesters had every right to be there. It is beyond stupid to try to engage a superior number of violent people if they are instigating a fight. Fighting to defend yourself to withdraw would have been prudent as would protecting your fellow demonstrators ESPECIALLY if you've seen inaction by the police. Wading into them with clubs? Not wise on many levels.

[rebelyell2006]

Grampa Apathy is engaging in Whataboutism, in order to distract people from the fact that there is clearly a good side and a bad side (just like in World War II, etc). We really need to talk about the Allies shooting the occasional German POW, instead of focusing just on the Holocaust and the ethnic cleansing in occupied territories. Ironically, Whataboutism is named after a Soviet trolling technique, although it has been used for centuries. A fascinating book, Cannibals All!, used that technique to argue that agricultural slaves are better off than paid factory workers.

[General Apathy]

And what was their motivation, again?

It doesn't matter until they break the law. They have first amendment rights. When you get into the mode of picking and choosing who gets rights guaranteed to all, and who can break the law and carry out violence for a cause, that is a lot more dangerous than holding everyone accountable.

By your collective logic, violence against the last administration for their illegal acts would have not only been justified, it would have been necessary. Yet somehow I forget which one of you it was championing that cause.

Ou'd have been in favor or armed citizens going after the rioters in Baltimore and Ferguson, right? Opposing anarchists who were calling for "burn it all down"

And the Blacks instigating killing cops? OK to get violent with them too?

Where the fuck do you draw the line? You are blind hypocrites championing what you proclaim to oppose.

[kyotebue2]

Then why do you stick around JJ?

[General Apathy]

Grampa Apathy is engaging in Whataboutism, in order to distract people from the fact that there is clearly a good side and a bad side (just like in World War II, etc).

No moron, I'm not. You would have a point if I was defending the Nazis or excusing them because of the bad actors on the other side, but I have not done that at all. From the outset I've consistently assigned blame to them for the violence. I've also taken to task the MSM and assholes like you and others here who can't differentiate admitting there were violent thugs like ANTIFA who came looking for trouble, and absolving the terrorists, as I have called them, of responsibility for what they did.

Why is it so hard for all of you to see the difference in positions, and, understand that breaking the law "for the cause" is just as wrong when you do it as when they do it?

[gweirda]

Why is it so hard for all of you to see the difference in positions, and, understand that breaking the law for slavery is just as wrong when you do it as when they do it against slavery?

FTFY

[rebelyell2006]

When are you going to realize that the constitution is not a suicide pact, and the scum who want to kill non-whites should be trampled into the dust until they go back into hiding again? Your Whataboutism is distraction trolling, and nothing more, because you don't want people to pick on your friends.

The original ANTIFA: