Citizen Sade wrote: Monkeyborg wrote:
Great post LT.
Why? Nobody's talking about leaving people to starve on the street. Instead, the OP is suggesting a citizen's income, funded by what we currently contribute to the EU, in place of the benefits currently paid. The number he mentions is rather more than the current basic state pension, by the way.
For the record, I'm not a supporter of the citizen's income.
I'm not sure that's what the OP said, not sure why you'd not just put the EU funds straight back into the NHS/Social Housing etc unless you were wanting to reduce the benefits bill.
But assuming you're right, lets just check that generous £11,500. Per annum that doesn't look like it would keep a single person in a mortgage by itself, nor pay for care or assistance in the event of disability or illness and I doubt you'd want to raise a family on it - so you still have the problem that in the event of bad luck or fecklessness some of your citizens are going to be helpless. It might take them longer to starve I suppose.
But it's not £11,500, unless my maths are out (which they could be - worth checking
The population of the UK aged over 15 is 54 million. Giving them each £11,500 would cost £621 billion.
The exact cost of EU membership is a little imprecise, like all of these things it depends where you start from, but let's take Nigel Farrage's estimate of £20 Billion per annum that he quoted in the debate with Nick Clegg. Sounds a lot but giving 54 million people a share of that looks like £370 pa.
But it's not £20 billion because Nigel forgot that money comes from the EU into the UK in the form of grants, rebates etc to the tune of £8 billion. So the amount of money available to play with is £12 billion, or £222 per annum for your Citizen's Income. Don't spend it all at once.
I checked the homepage for the Citizen's Income to see what they suggested as a figure. Couldn't see one on a quick trawl through but their FAQ produced this gem:
"A FULL Citizen's Income (FCI) is defined as 'enough to live on'. If everyone were to receive a FCI, it would cost so much to pay for it that it is unlikely to gain political or public support. "
I picked the UK population over 15, but let's not forget the kiddies. The total population of the UK is 65 million, giving them all £11,500 would cost in excess of £747,000,000,000.
Somebody check my figures, can't believe the OP was that far out
Edit: More fun with figures. £12bn is 0.56% of Britain's GDP (2014 figures). For this we get more useful influence than Trident affords us, if we cared to use it. The influence that is. Not Trident.