Frothers Unite! UK

Bronshtein wrote:I see Mayor Ford has now admitted buying illegal drugs.

And he's menaced a council member right in the council meeting, admitted to bringing prostitutes into his office and responded to police allegations with language in public that is more suited on Frothers than in public office. Groups are bailing left, right and centre (except Sun TV, but they're a Fox News wannabe)

Bronshtein wrote: We

Do you have dual-Nationality?

Ford is even more entertaining than Wiener was.

Dags wrote:

Bronshtein wrote: We

Do you have dual-Nationality?

Oh My God! I've revealed the International Zionist Conspiracy Oh wait..no. Er No, but I do feel a lot of empathy - as the more perspicacious amongst you may have noticed

Duff wrote:You don't get to leave for 1500 years,

Kinda my point - we didn't 'leave'. We were driven out and even then they never got rid of all of us.

The Israelis who fought in '48 were by a huge proportion Europeans. They were colonising a foreign country. That, by definition, is European colonialism.

Not by my definition.

Bronshtein wrote:{A load of stuff about 48 and 73}.

It's a shitty little argument Broney.

A 'shitty little argument' at the heart of military theory. Proportionality is a construct for defeat. Especially when the other side isn't fighting for a political settlement but your complete destruction. To make it clear I'm not talking about killing women and children deliberately - (I'm sure it happened and I condemn it) I'm talking about not waiting for the technicality of a 'first blow' - if they've said they're going to destroy you, they are mobilising to destroy you, and they have the tanks artillery and air forces to destroy you, perhaps you better take them off balance. If that's a 'shitty little argument' I'm happy to stand by it.

Bronshtein wrote:Secondly: The Sharon who proved in court he wasn't responsible for Sabra and Shatila - the only reason he didn't collect the cash was because in US Law you have to prove malice for a libel and Time Magazine got off on that technicality.

Actually it was the Kahan Commission, established by the Israeli Govt, that found Sharon personally responsible "for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge" and "not taking appropriate measures to prevent bloodshed" in '82

Being incompetent isn't the same thing as ordering it - which is what Time accused him of and what gets trotted out again and again in another of those anti-Semitic Israel bashing myths.

You assume that rhetorical support for Palestine (which is all it ever really gets it should be noted, the monetary aid is a pittance and there is no military aid from anywhere bar a trickle from some of the more militant parts of Islam)

Yes, while we're about that - why don't the Saudi's, and the other Gulf States, and why didn't they and Iraq before the invasion stop whinging and put their hands in their pockets and help the Palestinians with civil programmes rather than keep them impoverished as a stick to beat the Israelis with? We hear all the whining about Jews around the world helping Israel financially but the Islamic world does fuck all worth talking about to help the Palestinians. Given the oil revenue available you'd think the Palestinians would be amongst the best helped 'refugees' in the world. Odd that they are not.

The US and EU would drop everything and come to the rescue, and the Islamic nations surrounding Israel are fully aware of it.

Hmmm- I'd probably still, at the moment, expect help off the US. Not sure about the EU now. I was talking about eternal vigilance to ensure that help is forthcoming in the future. The way things are moving I can see the EU being very keen to sit on its hands - they have never been very keen to help Israel.

Bronshtein wrote: I'm still going to shout every time someone casually says Israel is responsible for everything bad in the region though

I don't recall anyone saying that, certainly not in a way that might lead you to start shouting.

I did use the practice of political assassination as the extreme end of illegal behaviour of elected officials and referenced Israel. Entirely because that was the latest example in the press at the time. Israel does engage in political assassination, there's a long line of evidence that it does but more importantly, the Israeli government and armed services say that they do.

You might want to defend the practice of political assassination, especially given some of the targets, but I don't think it is tenable to deny that Israel engages in it. Nor is it anti-semitic to point out that Israel engages in it.

Sometimes, criticism is prompted by disappointment, not hate.

Bronshtein wrote:

Duff wrote:You don't get to leave for 1500 years,

Kinda my point - we didn't 'leave'. We were driven out and even then they never got rid of all of us.

The Israelis who fought in '48 were by a huge proportion Europeans. They were colonising a foreign country. That, by definition, is European colonialism.

Not by my definition.

And it is with that level of logic I bid you adieu. There is simply no way to have a rational discussion with someone who refuses to be rational.

Duff wrote:

Bronshtein wrote:

Duff wrote:You don't get to leave for 1500 years,

Kinda my point - we didn't 'leave'. We were driven out and even then they never got rid of all of us.

The Israelis who fought in '48 were by a huge proportion Europeans. They were colonising a foreign country. That, by definition, is European colonialism.

Not by my definition.

And it is with that level of logic I bid you adieu. There is simply no way to have a rational discussion with someone who refuses to be rational.

I think that's fair play. Having read through the submissions that's the conclusion I would have come to as well. No offence meant to Bronstein - it's just that sometimes emotional reaction trumps logic.

"Just talk to my lawyers. I'm great, just talk to my lawyers. Just talk to my lawyers" - Toronto Mayor Rob Ford this AM.

He appears to be listening to his counsel and keeping his mouth shut, now that he's hired someone other than Dennis Morris to represent him. Likely a condition of the retainer. Wonder how long his silence will last.

Knocked over another councillor at a meeting. Called himself the white obama, and declared he was kuwait and he was being invaded.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/rob-ford-knocks- ... -1.2431150