Science is fucking brilliant.

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The problem with the Abrahamic religions is they are very keen on killing everyone who doesn't agree with them.(except for us Jews who know Y****h will do it for us

Don't forget the Buddhists, Hindus, Shintoists and etc.. All these Oriental religions are just as violent as any Abrahamic based offshoot, but their past and present actions are conveniently overlooked by Occidental New Ager adherents.

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I am afraid you are 1/3rd wrong on your statement about Abrahamic religions - nowhere in the Christian doctrine is it OK to kill people. This may be correct for Jews & Muslims but Christ's teachings replace the Old Testament stuff about "righteous killing" etc. You need to do some research.

Nonsense...

Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.(Matthew 5:17-18)

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.'(Matthew 23:1-3)

Christ's teachings complimented the Old Testament, not replaced it and murder is verboten, not killing, especially justifiable killing.

And if any one will not receive you in your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly, I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town." (Matt. 10:14-15).

Christianity can foster peace and interpretations have led to sects like Quakers, but it also has a violent side, since it's an Abrahamic monotheistic faith.

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[mcfonz]

Condi is now cutting and pasting the bible, whatever next?!!!

You could apply what you have just said to law/politics. Although clearly in the states it is more OK to kill someone than it is in the UK as you are allowed to defend yourselves and property with lethal weapons / force.

Extremes seem to always have a violent side.

And for what it's worth, the bits you quote really don't say it is OK to be violent or to kill. It actually just refers to respecting who is in power even if they do not do as they preach. In fact if you take that last bit, it states to not do what they do - which suggests that it's not OK.

And this is where I will agree on Duff. Science is more exact, religion is far more open to interpretation - but whatever anyone ever says, it isn't the religion that says to kill, it is the daft people who want to kill and then look for the religious loophole to justify it.

I suppose in many ways religion in some cases is a bit like 40k - too many rules lawyers.

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Condi is now cutting and pasting the bible, whatever next?!!!

You could apply what you have just said to law/politics. Although clearly in the states it is more OK to kill someone than it is in the UK as you are allowed to defend yourselves and property with lethal weapons / force.

Extremes seem to always have a violent side.

And for what it's worth, the bits you quote really don't say it is OK to be violent or to kill. It actually just refers to respecting who is in power even if they do not do as they preach. In fact if you take that last bit, it states to not do what they do - which suggests that it's not OK.

And this is where I will agree on Duff. Science is more exact, religion is far more open to interpretation - but whatever anyone ever says, it isn't the religion that says to kill, it is the daft people who want to kill and then look for the religious loophole to justify it.

I suppose in many ways religion in some cases is a bit like 40k - too many rules lawyers.

As opposed to unsubstantial bullshit that tends to get peddled around here as fact?

While extremes tend to be severe, it's too easy to absolve the so called moderates who supposedly constitute the majority. Matthew 5:17-18 is in reference to the claim, trotted out in these United States and in Europe, that the Old Testament was nullified by the New, used as a means of demonstrating superiority over Islam, and Matthew 23:1-3 is a cop-out for all sorts of behavior throughout history. Matt. 10:14-15 damns anyone who doesn't listen to Christ's words, a logical justification for monotheistic killing.

Over a millennium of extant corpora on justifiable killing in Christianity and it wasn't just Roman appropriation of the religion that started it. The Orthodox Church lacks a tradition of endorsing holy war, in contrast with the Occidental side, but it didn't stop adherents from trying to introduce it. Peter Partner's God of Battles is a decent introduction covering the origins of holy war. For those not obsessed with incense sticks: Buddhist Warfare.

In college, had an Indian teaching assistant, who instead of covering the professor's lectures, usually digressed into promoting Hinduism and ended up insulting Christians, Muslims and Sikhs. Contrary to his claims of Hinduism being peacefully spread, it's about a sanguine as any other faith.

One can't divorce violence from religion and while passages are open to interpretation, especially if translated multiple times, dismissing the loophole looking rules lawyers as daft isn't an helpful solution: only an understanding that there needs to be a balance. Even the religion of atheism isn't above criticism and doesn't make one a better person.

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As opposed to unsubstantial bullshit that tends to get peddled around here as fact?

Only when you're posting, fuckstick

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[kawasaki on another pooter]

Is the festering twat only allowed access to the mental hospital's computer on Sundays?

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Is the festering twat only allowed access to the mental hospital's computer on Sundays?

If I remember correctly it was something to do with the family being out for the day, but not being able to access porn due to the child filter being in place.

[Bronshtein]

I am afraid you are 1/3rd wrong on your statement about Abrahamic religions - nowhere in the Christian doctrine is it OK to kill people. This may be correct for Jews & Muslims but Christ's teachings replace the Old Testament stuff about "righteous killing" etc. You need to do some research.

Condi's right you know - Matthew 5:17 drags the whole of the Old Testament into Christian teaching - hence all the justification for witch killing - Exodus - in the late middle ages/early renaissance period. You should be stoning adulterers to death as well by the way. But of course whether Christ (didn't exist but let it pass) said it was okay or not, it's the religion - the organisation around the myth - that justifies killing in its name , which is what I said if you bothered to read it instead of what you heard in your head.

Condi - as for atheism being a religion ? come on we aren't that organised.

McFonz - it isn't interpretation, its a basic tenet of many faiths. (Some)People like killing, religion is invented by people, religions encourage and justify killing.