Frothers Unite! UK

Bronshtein wrote:

Guest wrote:In fairness, Britain can hardly claim a military victory in Northern Ireland. And the atrocities the British committed in Malaya (and yes, I know BOTH sides were just as bad) hardly allows us to claim that one with any real sense of pride and achievement.

However, I concede your main point - for a country that claims to have the world's best military (the US) it has a fucking piss poor record and trying to make excuses for it's underwhelming achievements (political correctness) is being wilfully ignorant.

There's your problem - what do you mean by 'military victory'?
Northern Ireland and Malaya and Kenya and lots of other 'difficulties' involved military action but victory (assuming NI was a victory and not another hiatus in the 800 Year War) involved a lot more than military action. They needed a combination of extreme, targeted, violence where required, and social and cultural responses, involving relinquishing control where necessary/expedient.

The problem with the US (and the UK where it has followed the US lead) is that it thinks all its shiny toys alone can 'win'. The problem being, if you do that you don't know what 'winning' is beyond vapourising things/people. You don't know when/how to stop or what you have achieved. The interventions/wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are still going and we have no more security or stability for the west as a result than we did in 2001. Arguably less.

The realpolitik answer would have been to ask Russia for help in Afghanistan and pour money into the northern alliance guys to keep the Taliban busy, put a price on bin Laden's head, ignore Sadadam, arrange an accident for Rumsfeld and Cheyney and get George W to have a chat with his daddy about why Gulf War 1 stopped where it did.

Not a resounding 'military' victory but it would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives and Saddam could have had an unfortunate accident down the line while in a love tryst with bin Laden and the photos on Snapchat to prove it.

Bronshtein wrote:I wonder who Sadadam is?
We should defintiely ignore him - never fucking heard of him!
Intelligent and perceptive!

The other Cunt wrote:

Macunaima nli wrote:

General Paranoia wrote:Good idea Bill...

http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=479910

Ideas for the TNP T-shirt?

I love how all the TNP stalwarts are claiming they’d NEVER be offended by a t-shirt. Freedm of speach and all that. I wonder how they’d react if someone wore one of the t-shirts mocking 9-11? Hell, I once got banned on TNP just for posting a “remember the other 9.11” (the Chilean coup) meme on the annual 9.11 thread.

Yeah, they’re a bunch of thick-skinned patriotic American fucks over there, sure.

Still bitter about bring exiled?

Guest wrote:In fairness, Britain can hardly claim a military victory in Northern Ireland. And the atrocities the British committed in Malaya (and yes, I know BOTH sides were just as bad) hardly allows us to claim that one with any real sense of pride and achievement.

However, I concede your main point - for a country that claims to have the world's best military (the US) it has a fucking piss poor record and trying to make excuses for it's underwhelming achievements (political correctness) is being wilfully ignorant.