Frothers Unite! UK

Macunaima wrote:

Monkeyborg wrote:I just see this thread like being down the pub and slinging some shit about.

That. Precisely.

Bunnyboy, most of the people posting here WOULDN'T be if Bill simply followed the rules of his own forum. Instead, he bans people whose politics he doesn't like while letting others pretty much have free reign. And this is just one of the sleazy things he does.

And let me make it crystal clear to you what are the politics Bill doesn't like: simply saying that killing them all and letting God sort them out is a bad idea; talking about global warming; reacting in any way, shape or form to posters who insinuate that large chunks of the human race are innately inferior, subhuman, or unevloved.

What are the politics that get a pass from Bill? Claiming that the Holocaust didn't occur; calling for the Middle East to be nuked until it glows; suggesting the ebola-infected hordes from the Third World will invade Texas and need to be stopped by military force; suggesting that 12 year olds should be allowed to marry middle-aged men.

I have no problems whatsoever debating people who disagree with me(as many people here note). I have never censored another person in my life, no matter how repugnant I have found their opinions to be. In fact, I have never even called for someone to be censored.

So bull me no shit about how people here are "bullying" poor old Billy and his gang of merry misanthropists, racists, climate-change deniers, warmongers, wanna-be kiddie-fiddlers and Walter Mittys at TMP, OK? If Bill played by his rules - no politics - none of this would be happening. But when "no politics" means banning for talking about climate change, but Holocaust denial is good clean fun for the entire family, then it is DAMNED clear that Bill himself doesn't give a fuck about fair play... or even about his own posted rules.

So why should anyone here worry about "bullying" Bill?

And for the nth time, if you dislike this thread, why are you always returning to it to winge on and on (and on and on and on....) about it?

Just piss off and everyone will be a lot happier.

None of that excuses YOUR behaviour.. You don't control bill. You do control you. And when a grown man who likes to style himself as a bit of intellectual is writing nasty haikus about an ignorant venal idiot that reflects worse on the clever man than the idiot.

This site has always had a reputation for generosity and broad mindedness. This thread, started for a valid reason, has deteriorated into ungenerous and small minded playground bollocks.

You should know better. I have already explained how what you post reflects on all of us when we are representing frothers.. Something you dont have to do.

General Paranoia wrote:

BadBabyBunny wrote:
Oh.. I ignored you for the first 1500

But your nasty pack mentality has become rather jarring. Frothers has a reputation for being argumentative, profane and disturbed... But frankly next time the tables go up at salute what a lot of people will know us as is stupid, ignorant, childish and unpleasant. Thanks to a bunch of TMP rejects deciding to make their impotent stand here.

Won't effect most of you though... So carry on chaps...

I just want anyone who reads this thread to be aware that most people on this site think you as big a bunch of twats as Bill.

Hmmmm....

No, sorry, not buying it.

People are free to think what they like about me, and anyone else on this thread, this site and the rest of the world. That includes what you and supposedly everyone else think about this thread. If you think we're cunts then that's fine - I think you, or rather your Internet persona, is a cunt too.

But anyone else who actually reads the pertinent parts of this thread can see what it's really about. Does it go way off topic many, many times? Oh yes!

But are the folk at Salute (and everywhere else) really, REALLY going to judge the whole site by the posts of one thread? No, they're not. They are able to see the difference between those.

The only bit I take umbrage with is 'TMP rejects', making some kind of stand. That's really your take on it? Ok then, but seems to me you just read what you want to read. Each to their own I guess.

BadBabyBunny wrote:This site has always had a reputation for generosity and broad mindedness.

God knows what site you've been visiting all these years, but someone must have recently tampered with your bookmarks.
This is FROTHERS.
You know, the place where all the filth hang out?
Where the fuck were you when we were kicking the shit out of BME, TWATL, Scibor, Galbraith, the donkey bollocks guy et al, since the site opened for business?
Frothers has always had a reputation for pursuing cunts and wankers mercilessly until they run from the site in tears.
I guess you must have missed all that by not clicking on those threads or something

BadBabyBunny wrote:
Oh.. I ignored you for the first 1500

Bullshit. You started posting some 250 pages in and you were a hell of a lot rougher with Sweet William than I have ever been. You seem to have found it a personal affront that Bill labled what he was doing "a charity". I just think it's dangerous and ridiculous.

My problem with Troutfister has little to do with his hiring transpinnays (though I will admit to cheerfully taking the piss on that point): it has to do with the fact that he is a manipulative, hypocritical fuck who is doing his best to make the worst stereotypes about the hobby -- that it is full of racist, jingoistic, nativist men who couldn't get a date if they paid for one -- look true to life.

Furthermore, you're whinging about how 1% of Frothers total postage might be on this thread? Sweetheart, almost TEN PERCENT of your total postage is on this thread. That's an impressive track record for someone who claims they couldn't give a fuck about this topic.

But your nasty pack mentality has become rather jarring. Frothers has a reputation for being argumentative, profane and disturbed... But frankly next time the tables go up at salute what a lot of people will know us as is stupid, ignorant, childish and unpleasant. Thanks to a bunch of TMP rejects deciding to make their impotent stand here.

Won't effect most of you though... So carry on chaps...

I just want anyone who reads this thread to be aware that most people on this site think you as big a bunch of twats as Bill.

So let me get this straight: "everyone" simultaneously knows that we are "a bunch of TMP rejects making an impotent stand" and yet, somehow, simultaneously, this self-same "everyone" can't tell the difference between a hobby group's activities and the pissing and moaning of a small number of people who are marginally associated with that group, on ONE THREAD of an on-line forum that is CLEARLY LABELED as "nonsense" and not directly gaming related?

"Everyone" is pretty fucking dense then. It's a wonder that they can even read the banner over the tables at Salute. My bet is that "Everyone" will be more likely to stop drinking Fosters in protest.

As for "impotent stand", what would that be?

Bunny, baby, you were one of the few people actually taking a "stand" in this entire mega-thread. The rest of us are here just to gripe, bitch and laugh about the dog's breakfast TMP has become. In spite of Bill's breathless accusations, no one here is "hacking" TMP. No one is doing "drive bys" (or if they are, it's subtle). No one is spamming TMP members with death threats or hate mail. In fact, the only attempts ANYONE has so far made to make this discussion spill over into Real Life was when Bill/Chumpie threatened to turn someone in for innappropriate use of a computer during office hours, and when someone tried to plea to Anonymous to attack THIS site for supposedly being "anti-GLBT".

So what "bullying" and "impotent stand" is this, precisely?

What are you on about mate?

What it seems like to me is that you want to censor people who are talking about something you don't like, pure and simple.

frotherPest wrote:I see you still know how to write sentences, but have not bothered to read the definitions of the words/terms you use.

And I see that you have the single-minded simplistic intensity of a tree sloth with Aspergers.

Next!

Monkeyborg wrote:I'm afraid Mac is currently engaged elsewhere…

I resent that. I'm as social as they come. Far too social, in fact, to hear Pestie and BBB talk.

Macunaima wrote:No one is doing "drive bys" (or if they are, it's subtle).

Oi! Fuck off! I'll have you know Cacique Caribe is a work of genius, I've put hours of work into him and you just shrug him off as "subtle".
I couldn't make him anymore unbelievable and over the top ffs?

BadBabyBunny wrote:None of that excuses YOUR behaviour.

What behavior is that, exactly, that you find so objectionable? Simply taking the piss? Publically thumbing my nose at a man who defends Holocaust deniers?

You don't control bill. You do control you. And when a grown man who likes to style himself as a bit of intellectual is writing nasty haikus about an ignorant venal idiot that reflects worse on the clever man than the idiot.

I'm supposedly an intellectual, so I can't write "nasty haikus", is that it?

But wait a second! I'm a soft scientist who needed to write a lot to pad my CV! Surely nasty haikus are worth SOMETHING for my Lattes score, if only as cultural/artistic outreach.

Here's the thing, BBB: if I was bombarding Billidum's website or wargaming in general with my quite witty and artistic haikus, then you might have a point. Here, I'm chatting to the folks who are likeminded "TMP rejects", on a thread that is clearly labeled. So how, exactly, does this end up being censurable behavior?

This site has always had a reputation for generosity and broad mindedness. This thread, started for a valid reason, has deteriorated into ungenerous and small minded playground bollocks.

Given that our noble enemies over at TMP talk in glowing tones about committing genocide on a biweekly basis -- on threads understood to be family-friendly, no less -- surely you have bigger fish to fry if you are worried about the Larger Reputation of Gaming.

But I hate to break it to you, BBB: Frother's rep is indeed for being "broad minded", but I have never heard anyone call it particularly "generous". And its rep as a forum where one can find plenty of "small-minded playground bollocks" started looooooooong ago.

You should know better. I have already explained how what you post reflects on all of us when we are representing frothers.. Something you dont have to do.

Actually, no you haven't. You are implying that there are people out there who are too fucking stupid to distinguish between this thread and Frother's hobby activites. And those people were quite well browned off with Frothers long before now.

BadBabyBunny wrote:
None of that excuses YOUR behaviour.. You don't control bill. You do control you. And when a grown man who likes to style himself as a bit of intellectual is writing nasty haikus about an ignorant venal idiot that reflects worse on the clever man than the idiot.

This site has always had a reputation for generosity and broad mindedness. This thread, started for a valid reason, has deteriorated into ungenerous and small minded playground bollocks.

You should know better. I have already explained how what you post reflects on all of us when we are representing frothers.. Something you dont have to do.

Again, j just don't buy it.

You're arguing that all of Frothers will be tainted by this thread. But do you seriously believe one thread in one part of the website is going to be that influential? No it's not. Come on, be honest. No one will walk up to you at a show and berate you off the back of this, and even if someone did you can point out, quite accurately, that Frothers tolerates many different views and is a pretty pluralistic place.
Which brings us to the point, that when you embrace free speech to this extent you embrace the possibility that something like this will come up.

Playground bollocks. Yes, a lot of it is. But again I'd assert that's a side effect of how Frothers is. Bill really pissed a lot of people off and this is a small hobby and they wanted to sound off and he actually came here to try and defend his actions (which included lying about my mate) which fired it all right up and now here we are. Are we perfect? Of course not. Has everything gone "correctly"? Of course not. Have we, have I, covered ourselves in glory? No fucking way.

But don't kid me that the rest of society can't tell the difference between this little spat and what the rest of the members are like.

What I love is how we're so non-influential as to be pathetic, what with our "impotent stand" and all, and simultaneously, somehow, the entirety of gaming is reading this and reacting to it.

Oh, and that's not to mention Bill's doing everything he can to quash Blastastic.

And yet, somehow, we're the eveeeeeil aggressors in the eyes of the collective gaming world?

Piss off, BBB!

I suggest that you take a look at the on-going Gamergate scandal if you want to see what REAL bullying and censurable behavior by gamers looks like. What people are doing here is taking the piss. If you can't see the difference, then it's you who need professional help, my friends.

Amicalement,
Samba01