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Re: Weird vibe on new assistant editor on TMP

Postby Wargames Factory Funboy » Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:42 pm

@Sondergaard & Macunaima:

Clear, thanks. I thought the fuss was about Bill emplyoing trannies, but this seems to be exploiting them in a very shady way.
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Re: Weird vibe on new assistant editor on TMP

Postby Macunaima » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:45 pm

Bronshtein wrote:Shall I come back and be tedious? :D
No? :(
Okay... I know - fuck off Brony 8)


Let´s talk more post-modern theory, Brony! ?that´s always a hit with the peanut gallery! :lol:
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Re: Weird vibe on new assistant editor on TMP

Postby Macunaima » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:11 pm

It´s not so much that he´s exploiting them, at least to my mind, WFF. In fact, I´m pretty sure now that he just gives them their money without asking them to do much of anything. The POTENTIAL for abuse is there in spades, mind you, but I´ve seen nothing other than Bambi´s accusation confirming it, yet.

The three problems to my mind are as follows:

1) Bill is an Elder in one of the most homophobic religions in the Western world, the folks almost single-handedly responsible for getting gay marriage banned in California (although that backfired on them spectacularly). So in his "approved for society" persona as William Armintrout, he officially goes along with LDS policy that homosexuality is a disease and trans- people are basically sick or criminals.

Meanwhile, as Monty Scwhab, Bill just loves him some t-folk! And then he hires them for peanuts, supposedly to give them oin the job training because they are so stigmatized by society.

So Bill is on the one hand contributing to this stigmatization and on the other, making bank off of it as a charity act.

2) This leads into the second problem: Bill´s "ban everything" attitude to people who supposedly "invaded others' privacy" is, in fact, to protect HIS privacy as a Mormon Elder who wants to stone his trannies and be transpinnays pal, too. The women themselves posted on the two sites with the same fotos, the same names.... They weren´t using any aliases at all, except the ones they were commonly know under. Meanwhile "Monty Schwab's" identity was sacrosanct: HE was the one who couldn´t be talked about.

When you realize this, Bill comes off as a mealy-mouthed little hypocrite. He didn´t want anyone to know he was hiring trans editors because it might backfire on him. It was only when HE HIMSELF got outed as "Monty Schwab" that Bill, suddenly and publicly, started saying "What's wrong with trans editors anyhow? Frothers are a bunch of homophobes!"

He certainly wasn´t going to risk his reputation in the LDS by publicly associating with transwomen, however, until some Frothers made that inevitable

So no, Billy shouldn´t be getting "good Samaritan" points for fighting the good fight against transphobia, being that he himself is VIRULENTLY transphobic. This sort of phobia doesn´t mean, necessarily, that you hate the object of your obsession. More often than not, your fascinated by it, but also repelled.

Bill wants to hobnob with transpeople, but then not have his good name associated with those doings?

Mormon, please.

3) Finally, there was something undeniably sleazy about the way Bill introduced these women to the gaming community. They were the center of a lot of sexual double entendres and attention. Many TMP members protested about this back in the day, saying it was sexual harassment. I think consenting adults should be allowed to do what they want as long as they don´t hurt others. If the women are OK with the flirting and their boss will back them up if things get out of hand, then I don´t think we need Big Brother watching over everything we say in order to "protect women". I said this at the time.

The fact that this was a huge debate back in 2013 shows, however, how common the sexualized banter between the ladies and certain TMP members was. Frankly, for anyone who was aware of the stereotype of the socially inept male gamer, it was hella embarassing. And Bill egged it on with his updates as to the editrixes' relationship status. In short, there was a very serious vibe that the editrixes were more than passing interested in certain of the men on TMP, who were CERTAINLY interested in the editirixes.

Well, it then becomes downright disconcerting to find out that Billy was previously advertising his services to these women, on his other site, as a relationship guru who could help them land western boyfriends and navigate tricky immigration procedures.

Maybe Billy's favorite film is The Crying Game, but in real life, those sorts of situations can get very violent, very quickly, because of homo and transphobia. Again, I am sure the editirixes don´t need to be protected from themselves, but one wonders just how far some of that flirting went and when, if ever, the men found out that the women in question weren´t cis.

This is a complicated question in trans ethics, for which there is no good response (and it´s a shame that Wendy got tired of all the anti-trans bullshit floating around this discussion -- she could give us her opinion). But I think I feel safe in saying that Bill dealt with this situation with his usual customary grace and tact: i.e., something akin to an elephant on roller-skates.
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Re: Weird vibe on new assistant editor on TMP

Postby TMP Champion » Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:55 am

Macunaima wrote:
trans- people are basically sick.

This is a complicated question in trans ethics, for which there is no good response (and it´s a shame that Wendy got tired of all the anti-trans bullshit floating around this discussion -- she could give us her opinion).


Did wendy leave this discussion?

Also, being born one way biologically and feeling a totally different way mentally is a clear sign that somewhere along the line something went wrong.

So, a deep schism between the biological gender and the mental gender identity is a sign of good mental health?

So, yeah they are sick/diseased/broken. In the same manner as somone who has cancer or Down syndrome. It is not their fault, being the way they are, but it is not normal. To pretend otherwise is a lie.
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Re: Weird vibe on new assistant editor on TMP

Postby Clayface » Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:27 am

TMP Champion wrote:So, yeah they are sick/diseased/broken. In the same manner as somone who has cancer or Down syndrome. It is not their fault, being the way they are, but it is not normal. To pretend otherwise is a lie.


Nice, Bill. Is that why your Trans slaves turn you on? And so why not hire a few Downs girls as editors? Not float your boat? No disadvantaged Downs girls in the Phillipines?

Nasty little Hypocritical cunt.

"being born one way biologically and feeling a totally different way mentally is a clear sign that somewhere along the line something went wrong."

You should put that on your front page cunt. It would stop a lot of arguing as to why you do what you do among your remaining members.

"Hi all, and welcome to TMP! My name's Bill. I was born and reared as a Mormon, but along the way something went wrong, and now I can only get an erection by being cyber-buggered by Transexual Phillipinos. I believe I am Sick! Diseased! Broken! The Mental Gymnastics involved in adhering to the ludicrous belief systems of my farcical made-up religion while simultaneously wanking off to tranny porn, and the constant need to keep it secret while desperately wanting to stop living a lie have driven me two-thirds batshit insane. And I wasn't a very nice man to start with! And THAT is why TMP is run the way it is. Bill's House, Bill's sick diseased broken rules!"
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Re: Weird vibe on new assistant editor on TMP

Postby british_gamer » Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:44 am

TMP Champion wrote:So, yeah they are sick/diseased/broken. In the same manner as somone who has cancer or Down syndrome. It is not their fault, being the way they are, but it is not normal. To pretend otherwise is a lie.

whoever wrote this Bill or otherwise
1. FUCK YOU.
2. GET HELP
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Re: Weird vibe on new assistant editor on TMP

Postby sherbet » Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:16 am

TMP Champion wrote:

A whole bunch of bigoted bullshit...




Basically not worth responding to, save to say that categorising a TG/TS person in line with Down's or cancer shows a total (and I suspect wilful) misunderstanding of their situation.

But then 30 years ago you'd be saying the same about LGBT, and I bet you still do behind closed doors.

Fool.
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Re: Weird vibe on new assistant editor on TMP

Postby Michael » Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:29 am

TMP Champion wrote: It is not their fault, being the way they are, but it is not normal. To pretend otherwise is a lie.



I agree.
But hear me out...

It is not normal*, being born blind is not normal, being born deaf is not normal, being born trapped in the wrong body is not normal, they are all exceptions, things that happen less often.
They are however perfectly natural, and that is ok.
They are different, they are not what most people are like, they are not the norm, but that is ok.

What bothers me is that they are clearly not the best people for the job, so why did they get it?
And why so many?



*normal: conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.
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Re: Weird vibe on new assistant editor on TMP

Postby sherbet » Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:51 am

angelbarracks wrote:
What bothers me is that they are clearly not the best people for the job, so why did they get it?
And why so many?.


As I understand Bill's "reasoning" (I use the word advisedly), as part of his Church-driven charity work he wants to help them.

It's a fact that TS people are harshly treated in the Phillipines, so what he's doing seems like a good thing.

But then it gets undermines by all the other total creepy weirdness that surrounds it and the whole thing starts to look really dodgy.
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Re: Weird vibe on new assistant editor on TMP

Postby Clayface » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:02 am

angelbarracks wrote:*normal: conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.


hmmmmm well then, statistically 'Normal' for TMP Editors is a young, fairly attractive transsexual. Bill is the abnormal one. But who needed statistics to tell them that?

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