The Sad Cunts with No Life Thread

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Re: The Sad Cunts with No Life Thread

Postby Macunaima » Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:05 pm

And Von Schwartz manages to turn an innocuous post about the disappearing desert monolith into a screed against masks and CSA statue removal.

No politics here, of course.

http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=541897
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Re: The Sad Cunts with No Life Thread

Postby Guest » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:12 pm

Macunaima wrote:And Von Schwartz manages to turn an innocuous post about the disappearing desert monolith into a screed against masks and CSA statue removal.

No politics here, of course.

http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=541897


He's right about one thing - a lot of masks you see people wearing are next to fucking useless. Those stupid 'fashion' masks (God bless capitalism and it's ability to make money during a crisis) are a waste of money. Worst of all are those home made cloth maks you see people (especially the old - the last demographic that needs to be taking a risk) wearing. Those aren't helping anyone.
Most of the masks you see people wearing are little more than a placebo.
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Re: The Sad Cunts with No Life Thread

Postby Bronshtein » Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:32 pm

Well I'm not a fan of the silver bullet theory of mask wearing (Wear this and all will be well my son) but even a bog standard cloth mask will stop you accidentally gobbing on people while you shout the odds in the street.

As for the carefully crafted scientific reports that claim upwards of 80% protection - well, read the reports not the journalistic events - you can't replicate those results away from the lab.

One extra tip - try not drooling on and licking cheap replicas of 52 year old film props.
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Re: The Sad Cunts with No Life Thread

Postby Guest » Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:20 pm

Bronshtein wrote:...but even a bog standard cloth mask will stop you accidentally gobbing on people while you shout the odds in the street.


That's just it - because no, it won't.
Cloth masks (the home-made kind beloved of frugal old biddies who think a bit of the blitz-spirit will see them through) are worse than useless because the people wearing them think they have some protection when they don't.
And it gets even worse, because there's every chance they wear them day after day, taking them on and off. Which means that as they take them on and off (and you can bet it's with bare hands) they've been spreading the virus if they've come into contact with it or if they have it themselves and are asymptomatic.
Unless you are cleansing your hands before and after touching that mask, you are wasting your time. Ideally they should be disposed of each time you take it off.
Home made cloth masks should be banned.
And shops selling a pack of 10 clinical masks for £5+ should be prosecuted for something or other.
Still, there's money to be made in a crisis, eh?
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Re: The Sad Cunts with No Life Thread

Postby Picador » Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:12 pm

Guest wrote:
Bronshtein wrote:...but even a bog standard cloth mask will stop you accidentally gobbing on people while you shout the odds in the street.


That's just it - because no, it won't.
Cloth masks (the home-made kind beloved of frugal old biddies who think a bit of the blitz-spirit will see them through) are worse than useless because the people wearing them think they have some protection when they don't.
And it gets even worse, because there's every chance they wear them day after day, taking them on and off. Which means that as they take them on and off (and you can bet it's with bare hands) they've been spreading the virus if they've come into contact with it or if they have it themselves and are asymptomatic.
Unless you are cleansing your hands before and after touching that mask, you are wasting your time. Ideally they should be disposed of each time you take it off.
Home made cloth masks should be banned.
And shops selling a pack of 10 clinical masks for £5+ should be prosecuted for something or other.
Still, there's money to be made in a crisis, eh?


And your training in epidemiology and communicable diseases was at?
Carry on Tango, you're doing a fine job of fucking up TNP. Bravo!
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Re: The Sad Cunts with No Life Thread

Postby Guest » Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:29 pm

Picador wrote:
Guest wrote:
Bronshtein wrote:...but even a bog standard cloth mask will stop you accidentally gobbing on people while you shout the odds in the street.


That's just it - because no, it won't.
Cloth masks (the home-made kind beloved of frugal old biddies who think a bit of the blitz-spirit will see them through) are worse than useless because the people wearing them think they have some protection when they don't.
And it gets even worse, because there's every chance they wear them day after day, taking them on and off. Which means that as they take them on and off (and you can bet it's with bare hands) they've been spreading the virus if they've come into contact with it or if they have it themselves and are asymptomatic.
Unless you are cleansing your hands before and after touching that mask, you are wasting your time. Ideally they should be disposed of each time you take it off.
Home made cloth masks should be banned.
And shops selling a pack of 10 clinical masks for £5+ should be prosecuted for something or other.
Still, there's money to be made in a crisis, eh?


And your training in epidemiology and communicable diseases was at?


Nottingham University and post graduate at University of Kent.
Now working at an NHS Trust.
Is that OK?
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Re: The Sad Cunts with No Life Thread

Postby Hew Johns » Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:44 pm

Nonsense. Any cloth mask reduces droplet traffic which is the main source of infection, thus reducing the exponential rise in cases. It also provides some degree of protection to the user. It's quite possible, I suppose, that cloth masks produced by the "fashion" industry or by "frugal old biddies" have a measurable difference in effectiveness. Perhaps you should fund a study.

I find your coda particularly odd. You dismiss the cheapest alternative out there, then rail about expense!?

WMyers would be happy to lend a sympathetic ear. You know where to find him.-)
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Re: The Sad Cunts with No Life Thread

Postby Guest » Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:55 pm

Hew Johns wrote:I find your coda particularly odd. You dismiss the cheapest alternative out there, then rail about expense!


Yes, for two reasons.
Firstly, the unashamed way that shops and suppliers are seeking to take advantage over public fears and see it just as a way of making money.
Secondly, because such important items as effective masks should be a priority of the government and therefore prices regulated so that people can afford to get adequate protection and not resort to inappropriate methods (such as cloth masks).

Try fucking thinking instead of gobbing off.
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Re: The Sad Cunts with No Life Thread

Postby Hew Johns » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:11 pm

Comrade Englander! we can send you Jared Kushner. He knows a thing or two about Central Planning during a pandemic!
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Re: The Sad Cunts with No Life Thread

Postby Bronshtein » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:15 pm

Entirely on board with the priorities of most governments, and Boris' in particular, re who can die while making a buck.

Can I ask what size droplet will not be stopped by close weave cloth over the mouth and nose?

My understanding is that even surgical masks and N95 masks while reducing droplet forward projection still leak around the edges, allowing smaller (often called aerosol - which is the differentiation I was alluding to above) particles to escape and spread in the turbulent air created by sneezing/shouting/coughing. Many dense weave cloth masks do the same. Admittedly allowing more side leakage and aerosol spread.
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