Shooting rampage master thread

[Duff]

Right I get it now, i've seen the light. The civilian population's armoury of shotguns, handguns and hunting rifles is the only thing that stands between liberty and the Govt. installing a tyranny. Their Abrams tanks, apache helicopters, SAWs and M4s would be stopped dead in their tracks by all of the Militia members with their AR15s.

Well, at least you've helped make up my mind GW, contempt it is.

[Rev Nice]

I think you'll find terrorists do.
It's kind of the point.

See my query to Goldwyrm above. What's the point, exactly? What are you proposing for the security of HM government?

What????

You said nobody wants people to die in terrorist attacks.
I replied with the above.
That's what terrorists do. There was no other 'point' about anything, I was simply stating that terrorists want to kill people in terrorist attacks because that is the point of them.
If the point of them was to spread cheer and joy, then they probably wouldn't be terrorists.
They'd probably be huge breasted lesbian mud wrestlers.
Although if they were Ninja Huge Breasted lesbian Mud Wrestlers, then they could serve as Government security.
So yeah.
Ninja Huge Breasted Lesbian Mud Wrestlers.
That's my proposal for the security of HM Government.

[Goldwyrm]

It's all they've got at the moment. That and the old standby that they've have from time immemorial a sacred constitutional right to own whatever weapon they want (absolute rubbish, as is shown here: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/c ... ntPage=all ), and the ever popular argument that without assault weapons in the population the gubment will start depriving us of our precious bodily fluids, a la Brig Gen Jack D. Ripper.

I read the article. Should I be influenced by the opinion of a blogger as an authoritative answer?

I'm going to pull a Condi.. Here's the Bill of Rights, my emphasis in bold:

Preamble

Congress of the United States begun and held at the City of New-York, on Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine

THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.

ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.

First Amendment ? Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Second Amendment ? Militia (United States), Sovereign state, Right to keep and bear arms.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Third Amendment ? Protection from quartering of troops.

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Fourth Amendment ? Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Fifth Amendment ? due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Sixth Amendment ? Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Seventh Amendment ? Civil trial by jury.

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Eighth Amendment ? Prohibition of excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Ninth Amendment ? Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Tenth Amendment ? Powers of States and people.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The above affirms a limitation on government actions against the people. Our military and leaders of this nation swear an oath to support and defend the constitution as a foundation of their duty in office or service.

You don't have to believe in it if you don't live here, but read it at least and understand what it means to citizens of the U.S. and those who become citizens of the U.S.

[TMeier]

Ninja Huge Breasted Lesbian Mud Wrestlers.
That's my proposal for the security of HM Government.

What would be the point of that? If they were ninjas no one would see them.

[Goldwyrm]

Right I get it now, i've seen the light. The civilian population's armoury of shotguns, handguns and hunting rifles is the only thing that stands between liberty and the Govt. installing a tyranny. Their Abrams tanks, apache helicopters, SAWs and M4s would be stopped dead in their tracks by all of the Militia members with their AR15s.

Well, at least you've helped make up my mind GW, contempt it is.

Ooh..contempt. That's a bit...dramatic., isn't it?

Perhaps you're going to read that later on and think "that was a bit arrogant of me."?

As I said above, our military and leaders of this nation swear an oath to support and defend the constitution as a foundation of their duty in office or service. Faithful adherence to the constitution would be the preferred course of action rather than a populace having to deal with the installation of a tyranny.

Of course with dictatorships in other countries in recent times, it certainly helps the populace from getting run over by tanks in market squares if they have something to defend themselves with.

[redzed]

Here's the Bill of Rights,

or the wig wearing slave owners charter.

[Goldwyrm]

Witty.

Perhaps it gave good perspective on what they didn't want the government doing to them.

[TMeier]

the wig wearing slave owners charter.

To be fair that did not go unnoticed by them at the time. They decided it was a compromise or nothing, stopped the importation of slaves and hoped matters would resolve themselves in the future.

We all know how that worked out.

[Rev Nice]

Ninja Huge Breasted Lesbian Mud Wrestlers.
That's my proposal for the security of HM Government.

What would be the point of that? If they were ninjas no one would see them.

FUCK!!!!
It was all going so well!!
I even had a theme song for them!!!

Right, back to the dockworkers dressed as Shirley Temple...

[Duff]

Of course with dictatorships in other countries in recent times, it certainly helps the populace from getting run over by tanks in market squares if they have something to defend themselves with.

Really? Care to name a country with a history of say, more than 100 years of democracy, that has fallen to a tyranny since Ancient Greece?

Once it becomes what people are used to, becomes the default form of government in peoples minds, democracy is actually really hard to get rid of, even in times of crisis.