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TMeier wrote:I was reading some of the comments on a very interesting link:

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalr ... rates.html

And one struck me as being particularly gnomic, though not addressing all the complexities of the situation.

Veridical Driver June 2, 2011 at 1:17 pm

The real question, is the violent crime rate for non-marginalized U.S. citizens significantly different than other countries?

Sure, the U.K. has a low rate of homicides ? the negative effects of centuries of racism, imperialism, and slavery, have been externalized to Zimbabwe, South Africa, India, etc? In the U.S., because of its historically unique pattern of contiguous expansion (as opposed to acquiring far-flung overseas colonies), and of importing slaves (as opposed to enslaving people in said far-flung overseas colonies), the U.S. internalized the negative effects that Europeans where able to externalize via decolonization.

The murder rate for your average middle class person is extremely low. U.S. crime rates are concentrated in ultra-violent ?Ghettos?, composed of the victims and decedents of victims of slavery, segregation, and racism. What the United States has is essentially small violent third-world pockets that exist in an otherwise low-crime first-world country.

Well he's got his finger on the fucking pulse hasn't he? Has he ever left the US? Has he even wandered around a US 'ghetto'?

Twat

Aecurtis is a gun owner that pretends to be a liberal

Anonymous wrote:Aecurtis is a gun owner that pretends to be a liberal

Liberals aren't allowed guns then you cowardly bellend?

Mind you, it would make as much sense as another other American gun law.

cool, Britain has a low murder rate because we exported it abroad


The real reason America is such a fuck-fest of murder is because they choose to be bunch of fuckwits.
Once they decide not to be a bunch of knobends then things will change.
Frankly I'm bored shitless with them.

Condi you fibbing twonk! How can you say you don't obsess over signs when your entire argument directed at me was because I have a Thompson in my sig?

I also play computer games and am a member here so that must automatically put me high on the dangerous peoples list. Still have been to the US four times now and they still let me in.

Personally I like to carry a grenade launcher for personal defence. It's hard to conceal but who is gonna fuck with me when they see it?

Well he's got his finger on the fucking pulse hasn't he?

I think he?s trying to explain why over half the murders in the U.S. are committed by Americans who identify themselves as of African descent (this though their genetic pool is over 1/3 European) only 12% of the population. Even when you control for income and location (suburb, city, small town) the murder rate for African-Americans is several times that for other groups. The murder rate for Americans who identify themselves as of European descent is only fractionally higher than for Europeans in Europe even though Americans obviously have many more guns.

The damage of racism is persistent, and pernicious, by making people feel the society around them is not theirs, is an imposition on them, you release the very worst tendencies in people. I doubt it makes much difference what ethnic groups you are talking about though obviously strong families help to control anti-social behavior. I believe this is true in the UK as well. I recall during the Brixton riots a British policeman trying to justify randomly stopping young West Indian men by noting that crime statistics indicated they were many times more likely to have recently committed a crime.

The effect is also self-sustaining, violence in the U.S. is generally perceived as something ?other? by white people and makes them want to arm themselves more, not less. The irony is heart breaking.

I don?t know about the ranting about externalized racism and it?s continuing effect, though it seems likely at least some of the violence in former colonies is the result of colonial culture.

America is such a fuck-fest of murder is because they choose to be bunch of fuckwits.

Not very helpful or scientific but it would explain why the murder rate in America has always been about six times that of Europe going back to before any gun control anywhere or even effective firearms. Try murdering someone with a matchlock, unless you held them down or caught them by surprise they?d just step out of the way.

mcfonz wrote:Personally I like to carry a grenade launcher for personal defence. It's hard to conceal but who is gonna fuck with me when they see it?

Well speaking from vast experience (i.e BF3 ) personal defense and grenade launchers don't mix...

mcfonz wrote:Condi you fibbing twonk! How can you say you don't obsess over signs when your entire argument directed at me was because I have a Thompson in my sig?

That wasn't me you twit, it was theomar pius on page 8 and your response on page 9. Do keep up old dude...

TMeier wrote:. I recall during the Brixton riots a British policeman trying to justify randomly stopping young West Indian men ....

and after the riots the law, the police, and society's attitude changed markedly.
Unlike the USA where they seem to take pride in not changing their attitude.
What's changed since the LA riots?

Anonymous wrote:Aecurtis is a gun owner that pretends to be a liberal

Owner? Yes. Liberal? No. Republican for forty years. But an old-fashioned Republican, not a nutbag extermist. When you're out on the far fringe, anything reasonable looks "liberal", I suppose.

Allen