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Re: Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Post by sjoerdo » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:18 am

Sane Max wrote:...about a Kid's book and the films made from that book by a fat New Zealander, I will drive to nottingham and staple your fingers to your face. :D


He actually lost quite some weight...
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Re: Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Post by Clayface » Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:21 pm

Curtis, if you start an argument about predestination and the degree to which a creator-god is responsible for the evil caused by his creations, and the degree to which the fallen Angel's actions were intended in the creation-plan in a thread about a Kid's book and the films made from that book by a fat New Zealander, I will drive to nottingham and staple your fingers to your face. :D

Re: Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Post by Ramshackle_Curtis » Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:26 pm

Dont forget though that really Eru didnt simply create the other spirit entities. Oh no. He sang them. And Sauron is a lesser part of the tonal/rythmic variation of melkior, so is in essence a discordant part of a celestial harmony. It was no error to make him, it was part of the whole song.

Re: Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Post by The Masked Frother » Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:44 pm

Ajsalium wrote:What Bob said.
Even I know that Sauron was Morgoth apprentice.

Or, if you prefer... Sauron is German, and he's evil and wants to conquer the world because he's German.


Or Russian. He could be Russian. Or Chinese. A Facist anyhow, or Communist. Or, here in Canada, Reform Party Conservative.

:loopy:

Re: Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Post by The Masked Frother » Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:41 pm

Don't the appendixes in LOTR explain this somewhat without wading through the Silmarillion?

Re: Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Post by Ajsalium » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:48 pm

What Bob said.
Even I know that Sauron was Morgoth apprentice.

Or, if you prefer... Sauron is German, and he's evil and wants to conquer the world because he's German.

Re: Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Post by THE Killer Bob » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:14 pm

Everything said so far is correct, but to expand slightly:

Morgoth is the "Lucifer" figure. Sauron was a Maiar like Gandalf and the Balrog. He was Morgoth/Melkor's No. 2.

Re: Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Post by Roger Theloger » Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:33 pm

Yep... and he lost physical form when Isildur destroyed his physical body.

Re: Middle Earth/Lord Of The Rings Question

Post by An Absent Humphrey » Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:28 pm

So a bit like Lucifer then - a fallen angel?

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