Il Segaiolo Pedantesco wrote:
At least we haven't yet devolved to accusations and innuendo, like on that LAF thread in which I suggested the English longobow wasn't Welsh...
A BS Historian's take on it: Two fingers up to English history…
I was going to be all smug when he suggested there was no evidence for 'the gesture' flicking the Vs prior to the 1970s as I was very excited to use it myself in the early 1960s. (nasty precocious little urchin).
Then someone pointed him to Kes and eventually we got round to the 1901 Mitchell and Kenyon documentary film.
Why QI (fucking great source
) think it likely that it was a Victorian working class invention is not clear to me.
The Luttrell psalter (shown in the BS Historian blog) has been quoted as showing an English bowmen making the gesture:
but the smart money is he's just pointing and in any case it precedes Agincourt by c70 years which, if it were a two fingered gesture rather buggers up the Wavrin theory.
I suspect it originated somewhere between 1415 and 1901 for unknown 'cultural' reasons.