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Re: So this EU thing

Post by Il Segaiolo Pedantesco » Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:14 pm

Re: So this EU thing

Post by Hermit » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:02 pm

Bronshtein wrote:Certain football fan oligarchs work very closely with him. Others who don't got their comeuppance.


Oligarchs who turned on him, you mean? Such as Mikhail Khodorkovsky, who challenged him (on live television) about the corruption in Russia's fuel industry. Something which Putin was all too aware of but did nothing about because it benefited him. His response was to have Khodorkovsky arrested and put on trial.

Bronshtein wrote:I'm not a Putin cheerleader but he is a product of our stupidity and greed.


No, he's a product of his own stupidity and greed. Western businesses tried to invest in Russia, but again, there was that wall of criminality which met them.

Bronshtein wrote:We gave him a 'chance' on our terms not what was best for Russia.


He was offered what was best for everyone, not for one nation.

Bronshtein wrote:For most Russians he has been a saviour.


Most Russians keep their heads down and mind their own business, if they know what's good for them. That's the nature of a gangster state. The murders of journalists who were critical of Putin can attest to that.

Bronshtein wrote:But then many Brits voted for de Pfeffel.


The key there is that we can also vote him out. Not a luxury the Russians have with someone who's pretty much voted himself president for life. Or do you seriously believe the sham elections he holds are real? He handpicks his own opposition, denying any real contenders, and even indulges in ballot box stuffing to make sure.

Re: So this EU thing

Post by Il Segaiolo Pedantesco » Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:19 pm

The West was responsible for Putin blowing up those buildings... :roll:

Re: So this EU thing

Post by Bollocks to Brexit » Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:58 am

Bronshtein wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Bronshtein wrote:He makes deals with some, but he dealt with a lot more who wouldn't play ball.


Bollocks! He's the head of that mafia group and they all pay him regular financial tribute. If any turn on him in any way, he criminalises them. Makes an example of them to keep the others in line.

The West gave Putin a chance to be on board, but he spat in their faces. You may think he's a Russian hero, but many Russians certainly don't (the ones he and his oligarch henchmen have robbed).

Certain football fan oligarchs work very closely with him. Others who don't got their comeuppance.
I'm not a Putin cheerleader but he is a product of our stupidity and greed.
We gave him a 'chance' on our terms not what was best for Russia.
For most Russians he has been a saviour.
But then many Brits voted for de Pfeffel.


Strangely, I find myself in agreement with our resident throwback to the SWP.

When the USSR collapsed and Yeltsin's alcocratic regime turned Russia into a free for all, the West could have done the right thing by helping the country develop in a controlled and mutually beneficial way. However, unsurprisingly it chose to try keep Russia weak and to make as much money as possible as easily as possible by working with some very dubious characters for their mutual benefit and the disbenefit of Russia and its people.

Putin was a reaction to that. It is not surprising that he is popular with so many Russians.

Re: So this EU thing

Post by gustav » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:08 am

damn straight, fucking penguins. can't trust the little buggers .....

Re: So this EU thing

Post by Il Segaiolo Pedantesco » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:46 am

Bill’s Brothel wrote:
Il Segaiolo Magnifico wrote:
Macunaima wrote:Condi, if this is the Euro thread, why are you bringing up Venezuela and then getting pissy when I call you on your faux concern for us here in “shithole country” land?

Less hypocrisy, please. I mean, assuming that Republicans are even aware of the concept any more. It’s amazing how fast you fucks have lost whatever little respect for the values you supposedly once stood for.

Stop referring to yourself in the plural...


So you mean that you’re bringing up South American tyrants in Venezuela because you are concerned for him, specifically, in Brazil?

If he was posting from Antarctica, he'd be on about hit squads of penguins...

Re: So this EU thing

Post by Bronshtein » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:09 am

Hermit wrote:
Bronshtein wrote:He makes deals with some, but he dealt with a lot more who wouldn't play ball.


Bollocks! He's the head of that mafia group and they all pay him regular financial tribute. If any turn on him in any way, he criminalises them. Makes an example of them to keep the others in line.

The West gave Putin a chance to be on board, but he spat in their faces. You may think he's a Russian hero, but many Russians certainly don't (the ones he and his oligarch henchmen have robbed).

Certain football fan oligarchs work very closely with him. Others who don't got their comeuppance.
I'm not a Putin cheerleader but he is a product of our stupidity and greed.
We gave him a 'chance' on our terms not what was best for Russia.
For most Russians he has been a saviour.
But then many Brits voted for de Pfeffel.

Re: So this EU thing

Post by Bill’s Brothel » Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:09 am

Il Segaiolo Magnifico wrote:
Macunaima wrote:Condi, if this is the Euro thread, why are you bringing up Venezuela and then getting pissy when I call you on your faux concern for us here in “shithole country” land?

Less hypocrisy, please. I mean, assuming that Republicans are even aware of the concept any more. It’s amazing how fast you fucks have lost whatever little respect for the values you supposedly once stood for.

Stop referring to yourself in the plural...


So you mean that you’re bringing up South American tyrants in Venezuela because you are concerned for him, specifically, in Brazil?

Re: So this EU thing

Post by Hermit » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:59 pm

Bronshtein wrote:He makes deals with some, but he dealt with a lot more who wouldn't play ball.


Bollocks! He's the head of that mafia group and they all pay him regular financial tribute. If any turn on him in any way, he criminalises them. Makes an example of them to keep the others in line.

The West gave Putin a chance to be on board, but he spat in their faces. You may think he's a Russian hero, but many Russians certainly don't (the ones he and his oligarch henchmen have robbed).

Re: So this EU thing

Post by Il Segaiolo Pedantesco » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:27 am

Macunaima wrote:Condi, if this is the Euro thread, why are you bringing up Venezuela and then getting pissy when I call you on your faux concern for us here in “shithole country” land?

Less hypocrisy, please. I mean, assuming that Republicans are even aware of the concept any more. It’s amazing how fast you fucks have lost whatever little respect for the values you supposedly once stood for.

Stop referring to yourself in the plural...

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