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A poll on copyright/IP and recasting

 
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What would you consider acceptable in the industry
If you sculpt it then you have every right to sell it- no holds barred
14%
 14%  [ 11 ]
If you change the name of a well known IP and sculpt it yourself you have the right to sell it
21%
 21%  [ 16 ]
If you change 10-30% from the original IP you have the right to sell it
12%
 12%  [ 9 ]
If you modify someone elses toy/miniature by 10-30% then (re)cast it it is ok
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Create your own IP- there is no justification to infringe on others IP
51%
 51%  [ 38 ]
Total Votes : 74

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:26 pm   Post subject:    Reply with quote

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HAHAHAHAHA - This has to be the highlight of this thread. A review of Tolkien from that well known repository of fair and balanced reportage, The Socialist Review.


To be fair, China Miéville, the reviewer, is a published fantasy and SF author, and a bloody good one (and he's a skinhead). I knew he was a trot when I met him a few years ago but he wasn't a member of the Socialist Wankers Party then, I hope he hasn't actually joined them...

The anarchist article by Moorcock is odd, I read it once years ago and while it is interesting in parts and there are bits that I agree with, it also kinda doesn't say anything at all. Moorcock attacks other "radicals" for liking fiction by authors that don't share their politics, compares Heinlein with Tolkien (huh?) and then admits that he likes fiction by authors who don't share his politics and has friends who don't share his politics. So what was the point again?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:32 pm   Post subject:    Reply with quote

Miéville is alright, if a little overblown. I liked Perdido Street Station, except for the fact that he never knows when to stop bloody describing things.

I just think it was funny to cite the Socialist Review on ANYTHING, let alone literary value. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:39 pm   Post subject:    Reply with quote

That address of that reviewer is :
1, Up His Own Arse
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Dogma

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The hobbits' 'Shire' resembles a small town in the Home Counties, full of forelock-tugging peasants and happy artisans. Though he idealises the rural petty bourgeoisie, Tolkien treats them with enormous condescension. 'It would be a grievous blow', he says, if the Dark Power were to claim the Shire - to translate, if rural workers were industrialised.


No, you fucking arse!!! Because the Dark Power would bugger them and use them as slaves and orc-feed!
What a tit.
Take any moron who thinks he can think and make him swallow a load of idealogical bullshit, wind him up and let him go!
See the funny man find things that simply aren't there! See him distort and twist things until they fit his point of view.
See him preach values to people that he'll never put into practise himself, especially once he has a bit of dosh.
Can't wait to see what happens when he starts to play records backwards...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:15 pm   Post subject:    Reply with quote

I think that is the most spot on review of LotR I've ever read.

Rev, your post is bollocks! The review was balanced and intelligent, giving credit where credit was due while all of the criticism was, IMO, totaly justified. Tolkein WAS a reactionary old fart. It's there for the world to see on every fucking page of the book.

The forces of evil in LotR are industrial powers, I got that the first time I read the book as a teenager fer christs sake.
I don't think LotR was intended as metaphor by Tolkein, he was famous for detesting it, but that doesn't mean that the book would not be full of his own political or social preferences.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:16 pm   Post subject:    Reply with quote

NO! NO! NO! AND NO!

It's all commie bullshit.

I won't put up with left wing shite anymore than I will put up with right wing shite.
It's a review of LOTR for people who don't like LOTR and want to put the boot into an old professor for the sake of a bit of street cred.
I bet he's just really pissed off that when he tells the birds that he writes fantasy, they say 'What, like the Hobbit?'
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:56 am   Post subject:    Reply with quote

A little of this, a little of that. Certainly what Tolkien began with, as he convelesced from wounds suffered in the trenches of the Great War (not exactly an Nobles' role, there), was much less Catholic and much more paganistic. Certainly the product of the learned professor, the LoTR, was much more constrained, and far more uncomplicated, than what the young soldier began.

The review was in no way balanced---tossing out a few unintended consequences as being of benefit to the Proletariet is hardly "credit".

One may not like the way in which Professor Tolkien chose to write his novels---it is , to be sure, a High fantasy style. Certainly a soldier, who has lost friends and comrades in battle, longs to create a world in which all death is not in vain; that evil, greedy men who waste the lives of young men in battles of no consequence to them, or their families, should not have the power to do so. That is an escapism any soldier understands. If this offends the Comintern, too fucking bad. The Soviets discovered they, too, needed heroes---despite having railed against such "madness" and "exploitation of the workers and peasants".

Who wouldn't want to live in a world where one's friends died defending something meaningful, instead of Dick Cheny's bruised ego, or Ian Smith's intransigence? Where men and women who have great power are not always subverted by it? And Micheal Moorcock as a "great" writer and socialist? Since when?

Oh, and Duff....you're supposed to cough while the nice nurse is checking you for a hernia Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:39 am   Post subject:    Reply with quote

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Fucking arse, the worst thing about Tolkein was the prose. Pompous, overbearing and parochial.


You missed TEDIOUS.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:40 am   Post subject:    Reply with quote

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The subjects 'Rings', 'evil dwarves', 'treasure hunting', 'magical weapons', 'heroes', 'girls in chainmail', 'giants', 'nasty gods' and 'big battles' have been done before by a dude called Wagner in 1848.


Yep, and he got it from Norse/Germanic mythology a bit earlier...

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:48 am   Post subject:    Reply with quote

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The forces of evil in LotR are industrial powers, I got that the first time I read the book as a teenager fer christs sake.


Shit. I must have missed something.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:38 am   Post subject:    Reply with quote

Rev Nice wrote:

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if the Dark Power were to claim the Shire - to translate, if rural workers were industrialised.


See the funny man find things that simply aren't there!


things like how when the Dark Powers do get hold of the Shire they screw it up by industrialising it?
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