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 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Regor wrote: |
as long as you can build an interesting story behind your choices, you cant go wrong.
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You didn't say that when I fielded my barbarian berserker pipe band. I believe your exact words were "get that off the table immediately, you beardy wanker."
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Lord of the Bears
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 8:54 am Post subject: |
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The GW idea of planks as a pallisade is not one found in our own history. A plank is very easy to break down, unlike a round post.
I use wooden barbecue skewers for pallisades, cut to length (about 40mm tall, with a simple rampart behind for archers and other defenders to stand on; any lower and the enemy would easily clamber over). The sharpened ends compare well with our own history for forts such as those in north America or even the Roman marching forts. Every second post could be a simple cylinder, with no sharp end, to double the number of available posts. The alternative is a lot of wasted skewer centres, although you could sharpen a few manually. Pleasingly, it's approaching barbecue season (UK readers may disagree when they look out of the window, but the supermarkets have well-stocked 'seasonal' aisles) and a pack of skewers that could easily make 60cm or more of pallisade can can be had for a pound.
The only drawbacks are that the 'posts' are a little too uniform, especially for Orcs, and that they are all a common yellowish-beige. The former can be overlooked once the pallisade is completed, with grass at the base and a decent rampart behind, while some 'weathering' and drybrushing can break up the uniformity.
An alternative is to use real twigs, cut to size. This will give pleasing irregularity and is free, apart from backache as you lean over to examine deadfall. |
Hello unknown visitor to this forum!
Many thanks for the lengthy and exhaustive explanation.
Even I had thought of using sticks for kebabs (I think are the same which you refer as "wooden barbecue skewers"), which have a diameter of about 3 mm. I was, however, came the doubt that they were too thin, so I thought maybe it would be better, as you suggest, using pieces of twig, which is not very easy to find.
Another solution might be to use the wooden sticks that are found in models shops. In your opinion what should be the diameter that is better?
You by chance did, or you can do and put in this TRED, some photos of your models?
Cheers,
Sergio
P.s.
Why do you not join this forum and so you disclose your nickname?
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:04 am Post subject: |
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If you think a saw-mill is too complex for an Orc brain to contemplate but still want planks, i'm sure they can dig a saw-pit (and is how we used get planks for our ships etc. before big-brained people came along)...
Bloomin hard and dirty work (if you are in it) and a big bastard of a saw, which i think would appeal to an Orc
Somthing for the Trolls to do? perhaps to keep them from eating the Goblins
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saw_pit |
Hi, Egstonvonbrick,
OK, now we understand that it is possible to cut the logs vertically, and so to get planks, even without a sawmill, but only using a simple saw a size suitable to be handled by two Men (or two Orcs ).
Having established this important principle, the question then shifts to determine if Orcs may be inclined to do such work in order to get planks, or not. Some say no, like You, others instead think they can do it.
And then it is a question of background.
Bye,
Sergio
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| Rev Nice wrote: |
Orc's with a saw mill?
Simple.
The rotten buggers took over a human or dwarf one.
They use goblins as a slave workforce (quite a lot of them end up in the saws by 'accident').
As time goes by, the initial building used has been hamfistedly repaired so it now resembles a typical ramshackle Orc structure.
Get me planks!
Yoo are a plank! Thik as too planks! Hur! Hur!
*slap!*
OI! Dat hurtz!
*STAB!*
Urk! Bastadz!
*Sound of ork being fed into sawmill*
Hur! Hur! Hur! |
Very evocative! Congratulations! It seem to see them!
Bye,
Sergio
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Hi, Regor,
many thanks for your very polite answer.
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Sergio, i am in the process of scratch building 5 new ballistas for my orc army, i have tried to make them look a bit rough and functional, not beautifully crafted like say a high elf ballista or dwarf cannon would be.
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Very interesting. You'll put here some pictures?
We for the Orcs have sometimes used the catapult of the Dwarven (ex Grenadier) that Mirliton has put into production.
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i agree with you that asking the question is fun and what is the forum for if not for this kind of stuff, there is space for it along side the crits of the new minis and people showing their paint jobs, but i also agree with the other view, it is fantasy, there are not "rules" do what you and your son feel looks cool and fits the theme of your figures and army.
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I agree with You too.
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in my orc army for example, several of the units are armed with spears, i made the logical conclusion that spears are easy to produce and the big bulk of the army, 2 big units of 30 and 1 big unit of 40 rabble have spears, however my bodyguard unit has golden armour, which looks great and is beautifully crafted, functional and deadly, i also theorised that these are the toughest orcs in the army, the warchiefs personal bodyguard and they get the best armour made for them or they get to loot the corpses of the enemies first and end up with the best weapons and armour, as long as you can build an interesting story behind your choices, you cant go wrong.
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Very good, very interesting! Your Orcs are a mob that only uses spears, ruled by an elite who instead wears golden armor.
All right.
So?
The day that their Warchief decides to build a fence to protect his village, as he decides to do it? Only with the poles planted in the ground or by an embankment protected by planks (or poles?).
As mentioned, it is a matter of background.
Bye,
Sergio
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| Duff wrote: |
| Regor wrote: |
as long as you can build an interesting story behind your choices, you cant go wrong.
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You didn't say that when I fielded my barbarian berserker pipe band. I believe your exact words were "get that off the table immediately, you beardy wanker." |
I just wanted to see You!
regards to both.
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Orcs would love a big sharp saw. Im sure it would be powered by some funny mechanism. A big treadmill or boar powered sahft, or slave barbarians tied to a joke. The saw would be disproportionatly large and scary looking. It could have dangerous goblin engineer insides, with many goggs and ratchets.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| Ramshackle_Curtis wrote: |
The saw would be disproportionatly large
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Really, nobody?...
Well okay....
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:49 am Post subject: |
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Orcs invented sawmills just so they could torture Ents.
What do you think happened to the Entwives?
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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For me it's all about the funtionality of it. It's far better to shove the whole tree trunk into the ground with a nice sharp point on top than it is to have neatly finished (but weak) planks. However, if you want your Orc Chief to be one who likes flat surfaces to paint on then thats cool. Use wooden drinks stirrers for the planks (found in McDonalds  . Regors orcs look great with a good back story.
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